Originally posted by stockenNo, basically, what he's trying to do here is to somehow, one way or another, make us agree with him that there must be an absolute truth/moral (to start with). Then he's going to 'force' us to agree with him that that absolute truth/moral must only come from God. Then after that, that God must be the God of the bible. Only then our lives would be 'meaningful'. It's a very long shot, of course, but then you can't blame him for trying....
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I just love it the way you try to play the role of the wise philosopher who can
see things so much clearer than everyone else and therefore has to "dumb
down" things to our level.
Priceless, coming from your nick.
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Originally posted by dj2beckerYes, something is 'true' to me if I believe it to be so, much the same way you believe in the existence of God to be the absolute truth (based on a book, and perhaps your own deductions).
So what makes something to be true? The fact that you believe it to be true?
Originally posted by ckoh1965No, those are his goals. Playing the mighty wise and superior philosopher is
No, basically, what he's trying to do here is to somehow, one way or another, make us agree with him that there must be an absolute truth/moral (to start with). Then he's going to 'force' us to agree with him that that absolute truth/moral must only come from God. Then after that, that God must be the God of the bible. Only then our lives would be 'meaningful'.
a means to them goals. Now, if anyone falls for it I suppose you could say
(s)he deserves his version of Christianity. 😕
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Originally posted by stockenWell, I don't know about the rest of you here. But I think he's facing an uphill task as far as I am concerned.
No, those are his goals. Playing the mighty wise and superior philosopher is
a means to them goals. Now, if anyone falls for it I suppose you could say
(s)he deserves his version of Christianity. 😕
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Originally posted by ckoh1965Can truth exist as a reality solely for the person who believes it and for no one else?
Yes, something is 'true' to me if I believe it to be so, much the same way you believe in the existence of God to be the absolute truth (based on a book, and perhaps your own deductions).
Originally posted by dj2beckerSometimes you can know something is absolutely true such as 1+1=2. There is no specific list of things you can know and things you cant.
So when can it be done, and when can't it be done. You are really vague...
Would you mind explaining how right and wrong can be both relative and absolute at the same time? You absolutely contradiction yourself for the umpteenth time...
For the umpteenth time, there are two distinct meanings for 'write' and 'wrong' under discussion and at no point have I asserted that a specific meaning is both relative and absolute.
Originally posted by dj2beckerNo, that's not what I'm trying to say...... and I think it would be good for you not to ask 'leading' questions. I'm certain of many things in my life.
Why maybe and why maybe not? Or are you just trying to say that you have no certainty about anything?
But to answer your question, yes, truth can sometimes exist as a reality solely for the person who believes it. My grandmother had cancer; she tried practically everything what the medical science could do, but to no avail. Then, just as she was about to give up on her fight, a good friend told her the story of a guy who had similar type of cancer as hers. That guy went to a 'herbal specialist' who claimed that his 'medicines' could help him. Well, it did help him. That guy went through 3 months of herbal diets and avoided some types of foods, and then after that the doctors found that his cancer was gone! He really believed that herbal specialist, you see.
So my grandmother decided that she had nothing to lose. She too believed that this specialist could help her. And so she embarked on that 3 months herbal diet etc. But she died on the fourth month.
So would you believe in that herbal specialist? Here we have two persons having the same sickness. Both believed, but only one survived. That's why I said maybe, maybe not. Maybe if you are unfortunately enough to get the same sickness, you'd pray each day because you believe that that can help you, right?
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Originally posted by twhiteheadSometimes you can know something is absolutely true such as 1+1=2. There is no specific list of things you can know and things you cant.
Sometimes you can know something is absolutely true such as 1+1=2. There is no specific list of things you can know and things you cant.
[b]Would you mind explaining how right and wrong can be both relative and absolute at the same time? You absolutely contradiction yourself for the umpteenth time...
For the umpteenth time, there are two distinct ssion and at no point have I asserted that a specific meaning is both relative and absolute.[/b]
So how can you have absolute certainty in any situation as to what is absolutely true and what is absolutely false?
For the umpteenth time, there are two distinct meanings for 'write' and 'wrong' under discussion and at no point have I asserted that a specific meaning is both relative and absolute.
If truth is absolute as you stated on a number of occasions, it does not logically follow that truth can be relative at the same time.
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Originally posted by ckoh1965How do you know that they both had exactly the same type of cancer that had spread to exactly the same parts of their bodies, and had spread to exactly the same extent at the time that they started their treatment?
No, that's not what I'm trying to say...... and I think it would be good for you not to ask 'leading' questions. I'm certain of many things in my life.
But to answer your question, yes, truth can sometimes exist as a reality solely for the person who believes it. My grandmother had cancer; she tried practically everything what the medical science could d ...[text shortened]... same sickness, you'd pray each day because you believe that that can help you, right?
Originally posted by dj2beckerWell, I don't know, really. Are the doctors themselves sure? Are we ever so sure about anything at all? Are you sure that Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus? Was there a doctor's medical report? Did Jesus have God's DNA in him? Was it ever tested?
How do you know that they both had exactly the same type of cancer that had spread to exactly the same parts of their bodies, and had spread to exactly the same extent at the time that they started their treatment?
Originally posted by dj2beckerYou can't. But you can be certain enough to stake your life on it - and we do that every day.
So how can you have absolute certainty in any situation as to what is absolutely true and what is absolutely false?
If truth is absolute as you stated on a number of occasions, it does not logically follow that truth can be relative at the same time.
I never stated that it did. At no point have I claimed that truth is relative.