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Originally posted by ckoh1965So you see, you do actually have an absolute moral standard and you believe that there exists absolute right and wrong.
Yes, it is absolutely wrong.
Now tell me, why is it absolutely wrong, and what absolute moral standard do you use to differentiate between right and wrong?
Originally posted by dj2beckerAbsolutely for me; I can't say for everybody. Obviously some people might think it's not wrong; or at least not absolutely wrong. I guess that's why we have those who actually did the raping and killing in the first place.
For everybody or just for you?
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Originally posted by ckoh1965If it is only wrong for you, then it cannot be absolutely wrong, because an absolute is universal.
Absolutely for me; I can't say for everybody. Obviously some people might think it's not wrong; or at least not [b]absolutely wrong. I guess that's why we have those who actually did the raping and killing in the first place.[/b]
Do you mean to say that people only do things if they think that it is not wrong?
Originally posted by dj2beckerAh, finally I see what you are getting at. I think the problem is on the definition of the word 'absolutely' here. Well, those acts you mentioned are 'absolutely' wrong to me. But if you want the word 'absolute' to mean applicable to everyone, then, no, perhaps not absolutely wrong. Maybe 'wrong' is sufficient.
If it is only wrong for you, then it cannot be absolutely wrong, because an absolute is universal.
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Originally posted by ckoh1965OK. Lets get something straight here... If something is not wrong, then it means it is right. So do you mean to say that for some people it is right to commit the unlawful premeditated raping and killing of an innocent 2 year old baby?
Ah, finally I see what you are getting at. I think the problem is on the definition of the word 'absolutely' here. Well, those acts you mentioned are 'absolutely' wrong to me. But if you want the word 'absolute' to mean applicable to everyone, then, no, perhaps not absolutely wrong. Maybe 'wrong' is sufficient.
Originally posted by dj2beckerI find your inflexibility somewhat appalling.
OK. Lets get something straight here... If something is not wrong, then it means it is right. So do you mean to say that for some people it is [b]right to commit the unlawful premeditated raping and killing of an innocent 2 year old baby?[/b]
"If something is not wrong, then it means it is right."
Why are you so bent on being a narrow-minded person? Why should there only be strictly two choices? You'd say, if it is not white, then it must be black. You prefer to ignore all the other colours.
Some people who are probably mentally troubled may not know what is right or wrong. They just do something as they please. They may want to kill people for the fun of it. They may not do it because they think it is right to do so; but neither do they think that it is wrong. These are the people we might refer to as crazy people. So what?
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Originally posted by ckoh1965If a person does not know what is right and wrong, does it mean that right and wrong does not exist?
I find your inflexibility somewhat appalling.
[b]"If something is not wrong, then it means it is right."
Why are you so bent on being a narrow-minded person? Why should there only be strictly two choices? You'd say, if it is not white, then it must be black. You prefer to ignore all the other colours.
Some people who are probably mentally tro ...[text shortened]... they think that it is wrong. These are the people we might refer to as crazy people. So what?[/b]
Originally posted by dj2beckerNo, that's not what it means. To me, there is still right and wrong. But to those people, maybe there is no such thing, I don't know exactly what they think.
If a person does not know what is right and wrong, does it mean that right and wrong does not exist?
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Originally posted by ckoh1965But to those people, maybe there is no such thing..
No, that's not what it means. To me, there is still right and wrong. But to those people, maybe there is no such thing, I don't know exactly what they think.
Do you mean to say that right and wrong may EXIST for you and at the same time NOT EXIST for other people?
How do you differentiate between right and wrong?
Originally posted by dj2beckerDo you mean to say that right and wrong may EXIST for you and at the same time NOT EXIST for other people?
[b]But to those people, maybe there is no such thing..
Do you mean to say that right and wrong may EXIST for you and at the same time NOT EXIST for other people?
How do you differentiate between right and wrong?[/b]
Yes, that's my contention. For example, to a retard, they may not know the difference between right or wrong, depending on how serious is their condition, of course. So in all practical purposes, right and wrong do not exist for these people -- at least not in their minds.
How do you differentiate between right and wrong?
I have answered this very question and even gave examples. What is right and wrong to me depends mainly on my upbringing and my environment. I would imagine that if I was born amongst the canibals, then my sets of criteria of right and wrong might have been substantially different. Perhaps then I would live just like animals in the jungle. I would fight for food. Maybe I'll try to be the strongest and the fittest, so that I get to mate with the other females. Otherwise, if there are stronger males in the pack, they'll get to mate and produce offspring. My weaker genes will not be passed on to the next generation. I'll probably still kill for a piece of meat. No offence, I'm just obeying my survival instinct.