1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    21 Feb '13 05:531 edit
    Absolute Truth

    Here before we were born and still here after we're gone.

    Our individual challenge in this fleeting life is to apprehend it.

    Please discuss.

    Edit: RHP Spirituality Forum Thread 8,000.
  2. Standard memberRJHinds
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    21 Feb '13 06:09
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Absolute Truth

    Here before we were born and still here after we're gone.

    Our individual challenge in this fleeting life is to apprehend it.

    Please discuss.

    Edit: RHP Spirituality Forum Thread 8,000.[/b]
    Seems like an impossible task for such an imperfect being as we humans.
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    21 Feb '13 07:20
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Our individual challenge in this fleeting life is to apprehend it.
    A surprising number of people are uninterested in that challenge (yourself included) and are much more interested in achieving a form of happiness through self delusion.
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    21 Feb '13 10:56
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    A surprising number of people are uninterested in that challenge (yourself included) and are much more interested in achieving a form of happiness through self delusion.
    Can't say I see anything wrong in that. If our purpose is to live a happy life then how you achieve that happiness is irrelevant.
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    21 Feb '13 12:05
    Originally posted by Kepler
    Can't say I see anything wrong in that. If our purpose is to live a happy life then how you achieve that happiness is irrelevant.
    What leads you to believe that "our purpose is to live a happy life"?

    What leads you to believe that "how you achieve that happiness is irrelevant"?
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    21 Feb '13 12:05
    Originally posted by Kepler
    Can't say I see anything wrong in that. If our purpose is to live a happy life then how you achieve that happiness is irrelevant.
    Sadly, seeking a happy life for ourselves can cause misery for others. That is my main objection to religion and other forms of self delusion.
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    21 Feb '13 12:08
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    What leads you to believe that "our purpose is to live a happy life"?

    What leads you to believe that "how you achieve that happiness is irrelevant"?
    It's the best and most likely purpose I can come up with. If that is the purpose then how it is achieved seems irrelevant. Feel free to disagree, I am happy to allow you whatever purpose makes you happy.
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    21 Feb '13 12:12
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Sadly, seeking a happy life for ourselves can cause misery for others. That is my main objection to religion and other forms of self delusion.
    Natural selection works that way, selfish gene and all that. It seems to me that is how life in general works despite various alleged do gooders trying to change things. It seems the natural nastiness of life forms will out no matter which god-goo is applied.
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    21 Feb '13 12:59
    Originally posted by Kepler
    It's the best and most likely purpose I can come up with. If that is the purpose then how it is achieved seems irrelevant. Feel free to disagree, I am happy to allow you whatever purpose makes you happy.
    Hard to believe that, in reality, you don't have limits.

    Does that extend to stealing? Pedophelia? Rape? Serial killing?
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    21 Feb '13 13:03
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Hard to believe that, in reality, you don't have limits.

    Does that extend to stealing? Pedophelia? Rape? Serial killing?
    Probably not. Those are criminal activities and most of the criminals I have come into conatct with, a fair number so far, have been miserable for the most part. Momentary pleasure is not living a happy life.
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    21 Feb '13 13:04
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Hard to believe that, in reality, you don't have limits.

    Does that extend to stealing? Pedophelia? Rape? Serial killing?
    You mean like the history of certain religions.
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    21 Feb '13 13:15
    Originally posted by Kepler
    Probably not. Those are criminal activities and most of the criminals I have come into conatct with, a fair number so far, have been miserable for the most part. Momentary pleasure is not living a happy life.
    So evidently you do have limts. Exactly where do you draw the line?
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    21 Feb '13 13:18
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    So evidently you do have limts. Exactly where do you draw the line?
    How do you equate "Live a happy life" with "no limits"? And why would you assume that happiness is a zero sum game?
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    21 Feb '13 13:20
    Originally posted by OdBod
    You mean like the history of certain religions.
    Like religions that require / promote self-delusion?
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    21 Feb '13 13:22
    Originally posted by Kepler
    How do you equate "Live a happy life" with "no limits"? And why would you assume that happiness is a zero sum game?
    Your words:
    If that is the purpose then how it is achieved seems irrelevant. Feel free to disagree, I am happy to allow you whatever purpose makes you happy.
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