Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI'm looking for a categorical statement from you that you perceive yourself as being equally as evil as a man who murdered millions of humans deliberately and methodically.
Why do you think Paul said he was the chief of sinners? As long as you think you are better than other people the gospel won't make sense to you.
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Originally posted by FMFAccording to what is written in the scriptures, getting angry with your brother is the same as murder, so yes I am guilty of mass murder in the eyes of God and deserve the same punishment.
I'm looking for a categorical statement from you that you perceive yourself as being equally as evil as a man who murdered millions of humans deliberately and methodically.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou are "guilty of mass murder in the eyes of God" and you "deserve the same punishment" as a mass murderer, and that constitutes a definition/example of "fairness" and "real justice" in your view; that is your stance on the morality of justice?
In the sight of God, getting angry with your brother is the same as murder, so yes I am guilty of mass murder in the eyes of God and deserve the same punishment.
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Originally posted by FMFThat is what the Bible says.If is it true that all sins are equal then it is logically fair for all sinners to have the same punishment. And if that is true ALL sin will be fairly punished.
You are "guilty of mass murder in the eyes of God" and you "deserve the same punishment" as a mass murderer, and that constitutes a definition/example of "fairness" and "real justice" in your view; that is your stance on the morality of justice?
Now go ahead and pretend that your relative view of justice that is based upon the constantly changing views of people is better. A system where the guilty can walk free and the innocent can be unfairly hanged. A system where judges and juries can be bribed. A system where a mass murder and a pedophile can easily escape justice.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI don't have a view of justice that posits that everyone is as evil as Nazi mass murderers and that everyone should be punished as if they were Nazi mass murderers, regardless of what they were actually "guilty" of. So I have no difficulty believing that my view of justice is better than yours. As I have said before, your notions of "justice" smell of the very worst and most depraved and grotesque regimes set up down through history, the most ghastly ideologies, and a complete and utter dystopia.
Now go ahead and pretend that your relative view of justice that is based upon the constantly changing views of people is better. A system where the guilty can walk free and the innocent can be unfairly hanged. A system where judges and juries can be bribed. A system where a mass murder and a pedophile can easily escape justice.
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkWhat practical moral lessons can humanity draw about justice from your concepts [i.e. 'all wrongdoing = equally evil' and 'fairness = same punishment for everything'] as it tries to formulate and implement justice here 'on earth'?
It is my stance on 'divine justice' as depicted by the Bible.
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Originally posted by FMFYou will never get away with anything. God sees every action and every thought. Whether you steal some sugar at the table or a million dollars you are still a thief. You are no better than everyone else so stop looking down on them. If you get angry with your brother you are no better than a murderer. If you neglect the widows and the orphans you are guilty before God. So by that standard all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. However if you repent and believe the gospel, (that Jesus died and took all your sins upon himself) God can forgive you, cleanse you, remove your heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh where his laws are written on your heart. Then no one will need to tell you what is right and wrong but you will be lead by his spirit into all righteousness.
What practical moral lessons can humanity draw about justice from your concepts [i.e. 'all wrongdoing = equally evil' and 'fairness = same punishment for everything'] as it tries to formulate and implement justice here 'on earth'?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThis quite simply has ignored the question you were purportedly responding to. Please read the question again. I'd be interested in your answer.
You will never get away with anything. God sees every action and every thought. Whether you steal some sugar at the table or a million dollars you are still a thief. You are no better than everyone else so stop looking down on them. If you get angry with your brother you are no better than a murderer. If you neglect the widows and the orphans you are gui ...[text shortened]... d to tell you what is right and wrong but you will be lead by his spirit into all righteousness.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIt seems to me that you are [1] declaring everyone to be equally evil, and as evil as evil can possibly be [with absolutely no degrees or depths of evil, and no differentiation between the evil deeds done], and then [2] declaring yourself to be "forgiven" for this evil because you believe in Jesus. Mmm. That's quite a self-serving philosophy you've concocted for yourself there!
So by that standard all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. However if you repent and believe the gospel, (that Jesus died and took all your sins upon himself) God can forgive you, cleanse you, remove your heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh where his laws are written on your heart.
