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divegeester

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Enlighten me on whether you believe in the existence of universal truth.
I don't know.

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Originally posted by divegeester
I don't know.
So then basically you don't know whether you can be sure about anything. But somehow you seem to be sure that the system of justice I believe in is somehow false?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So then basically you don't know whether you can be sure about anything. But somehow you seem to be sure that the system of justice I believe in is somehow false?
Give an example of something you think is a universal truth and I'll tell you if I agree with you.

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Originally posted by divegeester
Give an example of something you think is a universal truth and I'll tell you if I agree with you.
Ok here's one for starters:

God exists.

True or False?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok here's one for starters:

God exists.

True or False?
Well I think that's true, but does me thinking it make it a "universal truth".

Perhaps you want to define what a universal truth is?

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Originally posted by divegeester
Well I think that's true, but does me thinking it make it a "universal truth".

Perhaps you want to define what a universal truth is?
Ok tell me firstly why you think it's true.

If you believe that God exists, do you believe he only exists in your head or does he really exist?

A universal truth I would say is a statement that is always true and is universally binding.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok tell me firstly why you think it's true.

If you believe that God exists, do you believe he only exists in your head or does he really exist?

A universal truth I would say is a statement that is always true and is universally binding.
Are you going to answer my question about eternal suffering?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Ok tell me firstly why you think it's true.

If you believe that God exists, do you believe he only exists in your head or does he really exist?

A universal truth I would say is a statement that is always true and is universally binding.
A truth also needs to be substantiated.

Your statement about the existence of God is meaningless while it remains unproven and falls well short of being a universal truth.

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Originally posted by divegeester
Are you going to answer my question about eternal suffering?
As CS Lewis puts it:

“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.”

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
A truth also needs to be substantiated.

Your statement about the existence of God is meaningless while it remains unproven and falls well short of being a universal truth.
So what in your opinion would qualify as a universal truth?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
As CS Lewis puts it:

“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.”
This is just another dodge. Clearly you do believe in it but are too ashamed to say, is that it?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
All that are in Hell, choose it.
Do you really believe that people who are in hell being tortured by your version of a monster-God, actually "choose" to be there? Is this how you abdicate your responsibility for moral thought?

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Originally posted by divegeester
Do you really believe that people who are in hell being tortured by your version of a monster-God, actually "choose" to be there? Is this how you abdicate your responsibility for moral thought?
So you think that our choices don't determine where we will spend eternity? If not what does?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So what in your opinion would qualify as a universal truth?
Something that is proven.

Sorry, would this be easier to digest with an insightful quote by C S Lewis?

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Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Something that is proven.

Sorry, would this be easier to digest with an insightful quote by C S Lewis?
'Proven' according to what and whose criteria?

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