Originally posted by FetchmyjunkAssuming this is a true story, it is an anecdote.
I personally know an alcoholic that had 'a meeting with God', and she claims that God 'removed her addiction'. She still has a glass of wine every now and then, but she has no desire to get wasted anymore.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIf you are claiming everyone has exactly the required amount of willpower (if not more) to overcome the strongest possible mental and physical alcohol withdrawal symptoms, what proof do you have of this from real people's lives? Surely the reality of alcoholism - real world - real people - real mental and physical problems - simply do not back up your claim?
Or it could mean that everyone has the ability to resist temptation even if they have less willpower than someone else.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIf it is an anecdote, then that means it's true. You claimed the thing about threatening an alcoholic with a gun was an anecdote. Do you have a link to it so I can verify that what you are claiming is true?
If it is a true story, will you accept it as true or are you just taking the piss?
Originally posted by FMFBased on my knowledge of real (sane) humans I don't think anyone would rather have a drink and then take a bullet to the brain if they were offered the choice of giving up the drink and not taking a bullet to the brain. This is my opinion. Feel free to tell my why you disagree.
If you are claiming everyone has exactly the required amount of willpower (if not more) to overcome the strongest possible mental and physical alcohol withdrawal symptoms, what proof do you have of this from real people's lives? Surely the reality of alcoholism - real world - real people - real mental and physical problems - simply do not back up your claim?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI'm less interested in thought exercises and more interested in real people and the reality of alcoholism, if you don't mind, even if you are not. If you are proposing some sort of programme of treatment for alcoholism based on your theories about guns, willpower, and alcohol withdrawal symptom syndrome, just go ahead and explain what that programme might be. I'd be interested to hear what it is.
Based on my knowledge of real (sane) humans I don't think anyone would rather have a drink and then take a bullet to the brain if they were offered the choice of giving up the drink and not taking a bullet to the brain. This is my opinion. Feel free to tell my why you disagree.
Originally posted by FMFIf I told that that every alcoholic that I know that 'had a real meeting with Jesus' has been 'cured' of their alcoholism, what would you say about that?
I'm less interested in thought exercises and more interested in real people and the reality of alcoholism, if you don't mind, even if you are not. If you are proposing some sort of programme of treatment for alcoholism based on your theories about guns, willpower, and alcohol withdrawal symptom syndrome, just go ahead and explain what that programme might be. I'd be interested to hear what it is.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI would simply repeat my invitation, which was this: If you are proposing some sort of programme of treatment for alcoholism based on your theories about guns, willpower, and alcohol withdrawal symptom syndrome, just go ahead and explain what that programme might be.
If I told that that every alcoholic that I know that 'had a real meeting with Jesus' has been 'cured' of their alcoholism, what would you say about that?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI would be interested to hear how you think this would apply to non-Christians. Do you believe that your "gun to the head theory" can force people to believe they have "had a real meeting with Jesus"?
If I told that that every alcoholic that I know that 'had a real meeting with Jesus' has been 'cured' of their alcoholism, what would you say about that?
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou really do need to heed Suzianne's advice. Go "sit in" on an AA meeting and listen to what those people have to say about their condition.
What I am trying to say is that the will of man is more powerful than any addiction. Everyone has the willpower to say no regardless of how strong the temptation may be. If that were not true then no addict would ever be able to stop with their addiction.
To say casually that everyone has the willpower to overcome addiction merely demonstrates your lack of experience or knowledge in this area.
Originally posted by FMFAlternatively I could give you multiple stories of people who had alcohol addictions who claim that that their 'conversion to Christianity' helped them overcome their drug and alcohol addiction. Would you consider such a rehab program or are you only interested in my gun theory?
I would simply repeat my invitation, which was this: If you are proposing some sort of programme of treatment for alcoholism based on your theories about guns, willpower, and alcohol withdrawal symptom syndrome, just go ahead and explain what that programme might be.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI am happy to hear of people freeing themselves of their addiction to alcohol, regardless of exactly how they do it, and regardless of their religion, so I would be interested to hear how you think your programme would apply to non-Christian alcoholics.
Alternatively I could give you multiple stories of people who had alcohol addictions who claim that that their 'conversion to Christianity' helped them overcome their drug and alcohol addiction. Would you consider such a rehab program or are you only interested in my gun theory?
Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke to FetchmyjunkI think he intended his hey just threaten to kill them with a gun thing to explain the willpower thing and so demonstrate the abundance of his experience and knowledge thing regarding the alcoholism thing. 😛
To say casually that everyone has the willpower to overcome addiction merely demonstrates your lack of experience or knowledge in this area.