Age of the Universe

Originally posted by RJHinds
It seems that truth is stranger than fiction to you, for sure.

don't you understand? some people don't take your word for "it". any "it".

some people require proof. and when you come and say something like that, all reasonable people would require proof. you make a claim, support your claim.



the problem with you is that you never support your claims. and in this particular case, your claim isn't supported even by the bible. i can understand a fundies belief that the bible holds the ultimate truth and if a bible says something, no extra proof is needed but at no place in the bible does it say that space doesn't expand. so why don't you behave like a reasoning person and support your theories.


or be ignored. either is fine.

Originally posted by RBHILL
If there is a creator he, yes he could make the light from starts 13 billion years away be seen in an instant.

Yet why would he bother? If there is a creator perhaps he just made light travel at the speed of light and created the universe over 13 billion years ago.

Originally posted by menace71
I believe God created the universe. However it's still a riddle of sorts. A young earth and universe don't make sense.


Manny

Sorry Manny, I gave you the wrong link. It should have been this one:

YouTube&NR=1

We see an old universe does not make sense.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Sorry Manny, I gave you the wrong link. It should have been this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIFBMOFD_n8&NR=1

We see an old universe does not make sense.

"We see an old universe does not make sense"

Is this because it contradicts the Bible? Or are there other reasons you don't believe that the universe is old?

Originally posted by Ullr
"We see an old universe does not make sense"

Is this because it contradicts the Bible? Or are there other reasons you don't believe that the universe is old?

The astronomer in the video explains it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
The astronomer in the video explains it.

I'm not interested in watching a YouTube video. I'm interested in your opinion and explanation.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
don't you understand? some people don't take your word for "it". any "it".

some people require proof. and when you come and say something like that, all reasonable people would require proof. you make a claim, support your claim.



the problem with you is that you never support your claims. and in this particular case, your claim isn't supported eve ...[text shortened]... like a reasoning person and support your theories.


or be ignored. either is fine.

I made the following statement to sunhouse on another thread:

I already know that empty space does not stretch, compress, or bend.
There has to be something in the space like water or the atmosphere
to cause what you think is warping or bending of space. Although
Einstein's equations may be used with GPS satellites, it has nothing to
do with stretching and compressing of empty space and time. You
completely ignore what is in the space. Light will not deflect in empty
space. There has to be some force acting on the light particles, like
the gravitaional pull of another body, to cause the deflection of light.

Then sunhouse said Einstein proved that gravity was not a force but
the bending of space. Which I disagreed and informed him that
Newton was the expert on gravity, not Einstein. I then informed him
that the apple falling from the tree was due to the force of gravity
and not the bending of space.

I believe I did support my claim.

Originally posted by Ullr
I'm not interested in watching a YouTube video. I'm interested in your opinion and explanation.

You are another one of those who want to believe that God does not
exist and refuse to see or hear anything that shows that He does and
you are wrong. That is the reason you are not interested in learning
the truth.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It seems that truth is stranger than fiction to you, for sure.

That depends on the fiction.
However, it remains that you are asserting something as true, without any form of explanation or evidence, then expecting me to believe you over the findings of the greatest scientists of the last century.

Originally posted by twhitehead
That depends on the fiction.
However, it remains that you are asserting something as true, without any form of explanation or evidence, then expecting me to believe you over the findings of the greatest scientists of the last century.

What scientist are you talking about and where is your reference for
what they have said and their proof that differs from what I say?

Originally posted by RJHinds
You are another one of those who want to believe that God does not
exist and refuse to see or hear anything that shows that He does and
you are wrong. That is the reason you are not interested in learning
the truth.

When did I say that I think God does not exist? I have not said that once in this entire thread. My OP of this thread merely questions the age of the universe. What I don't believe is that the earth and the universe are a mere few thousand years old regardless of whether or not it was created by God.

I did not pose this argument to try and disprove the existance of God. I did it to try and gain an understanding of how and why a young earth creationist can possibly think the way they do.

I repeat I am interested in your opinion and explanation and not some youtube video.

Originally posted by RJHinds
What scientist are you talking about and where is your reference for
what they have said and their proof that differs from what I say?

Just about all scientists in Physics. The references are just about every physics text book, or reference.
You could start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity

Note that Einstein first published it in 1916 and similar work even earlier.

Originally posted by Ullr
When did I say that I think God does not exist? I have not said that once in this entire thread. My OP of this thread merely questions the age of the universe. What I don't believe is that the earth and the universe are a mere few thousand years old regardless of whether or not it was created by God.

I did not pose this argument to try and disprove the ex ...[text shortened]... hey do.

I repeat I am interested in your opinion and explanation and not some youtube video.

I have my opinions; but I am not an astronomer like the man in the video.
He is a better reference than I am stating my opinion without proof, as
some tend to fault me for. And I can't help it if you don't believe what the
Holy Bible says.

Originally posted by Ullr
I have a question for those here that believe that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. Do you also believe that the entire universe is thus only a few thousand years old?

Here's what I think. I think the universe is at least 13.2 billion years old. Why? Because the most distant observed galaxy is 13.2 billion light years away. If the universe w ...[text shortened]... of galaxies and their distances from Earth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_galaxies

This page has some pretty interesting things to say about this question:

http://creationscience.com/onlinebook/FAQ13.html

I'm not necessarily a young-earther, or even a creationist at all, but I'd be interested in hearing what anybody more scientifically competent than I am would have to say in response to this.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Just about all scientists in Physics. The references are just about every physics text book, or reference.
You could start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity

Note that Einstein first published it in 1916 and similar work even earlier.

Even if the problems with Einsteins theory is worked out and proved
correct, how does it prove gravity is not a force and how does it prove
that it is empty space that is warping, bending, stretching, contracting,
etc.?