16 Aug 11
It seems both sides have an agenda at times. The ultimate goal should be truth. I think even the site I pasted a ways back seems to have an agenda at times. So the creationist are not without fault. Creationist/Christians should never avoid a question. If they don't know the answer don't BS your way out. There are issues with every model of the universe. The time/light travel issue being on the hardest to overcome when dating the universe.
Manny
16 Aug 11
Originally posted by menace71Manny, I don't believe there are any black holes out in space that anything
Cool stuff enjoying
Manny
can fall into and disappear. There may be very large objects (planets) that
have extremely strong gravitational forces that pull other smaller objects
close by toward it and finally on to it. And they are too far away for us to
see any light particles that might be reflectiong off the surface.
17 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsWith all respect sir you sound like a person who believes in a flat earth.
Manny, I don't believe there are any black holes out in space that anything
can fall into and disappear. There may be very large objects (planets) that
have extremely strong gravitational forces that pull other smaller objects
close by toward it and finally on to it. And they are too far away for us to
see any light particles that might be reflectiong off the surface.
17 Aug 11
Originally posted by menace71You say the results of the surrounding stars and X-ray emissions surrounding
Black Holes do not militate against a creator. They have proved blackholes exsist I believe they can't be seen optically but the results of the surrounding stars and X-ray emissions surrounding these objects proves their exsistance.
Manny
these "objects" proves their exsistance. Are you then agreeing with me that
these so-called "blackholes" are "objects" - like planets, for example?
17 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsWhat happens to "lifght particles" which are "too far away" then?
Manny, I don't believe there are any black holes out in space that anything
can fall into and disappear. There may be very large objects (planets) that
have extremely strong gravitational forces that pull other smaller objects
close by toward it and finally on to it. And they are too far away for us to
see any light particles that might be reflectiong off the surface.
(If we cannot see them?)
17 Aug 11
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Originally posted by RJHindsWell it's believed that when a very huge star collapses with a very large mass it becomes a singularity so massive nothing can escape it not even light. Apparently however objects can orbit black holes as long as they don't cross the event horizon of the singularity. I guess you can call them black holes objects but they are not objects in the classic sense. By the way Hawkins is one of the leading experts on this very subject. While I don't agree with Hawkins conclusion about if there is a creator or not I still respect the man's intelligence. Read up just google black holes.
You say the results of the surrounding stars and X-ray emissions surrounding
these "objects" proves their exsistance. Are you then agreeing with me that
these so-called "blackholes" are "objects" - like planets, for example?
I wanted to add the X-rays are caused by gases heating up as they swirl around the black hole the gases approach the speed of light and ionize we can detect these X-rays from earth.
Manny
17 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsOk so why do you not believe black holes exist ?
Manny, I don't believe there are any black holes out in space that anything
can fall into and disappear. There may be very large objects (planets) that
have extremely strong gravitational forces that pull other smaller objects
close by toward it and finally on to it. And they are too far away for us to
see any light particles that might be reflectiong off the surface.
Manny
17 Aug 11
Originally posted by UllrNot arguing distance or speed, only that they can tell you what you claim they
The only assumptions I am making Kelly is that we know the distance of various celestial bodies including the galaxies listed and that we know how fast light travels. These things are no longer theories.
Are you arguing against this?
Do you not think that some of these celestial bodies are indeed many millions or even billiions of light years away?
Do you not think that light travels at at a top speed of roughly 186,000 miles per second?
can. Distance and speed is like saying you know how long a car on the highway
has been travelling by looking at where it is compared to where you 'think'
it was when it started by knowing how fast it is moving. If you don't know
where it really started from you can be right about your math but wrong about
your answer, you make some assumptions and those are either right or wrong.
Kelly
17 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsThat you are very ignorant on some topics is not only blatantly obvious but fully admitted by yourself. I too am equally very ignorant about some topics (eg some religions, some cultures, some countries, some fields of study etc).
Apparently you think I am very ignorant or stupid.
17 Aug 11
Originally posted by menace71You say that when a very huge star collapses with a very large mass it
Well it's believed that when a very huge star collapses with a very large mass it becomes a singularity so massive nothing can escape it not even light. Apparently however objects can orbit black holes as long as they don't cross the event horizon of the singularity. I guess you can call them black holes objects but they are not objects in the classic sense ...[text shortened]... gases approach the speed of light and ionize we can detect these X-rays from earth.
Manny
becomes a singularity so massive nothing can escape it not even light.
How do we know a star, small or hugh, can collapse? And what exactly
does he mean by "collapse"? Does he mean the star burns out?
17 Aug 11
Originally posted by RJHindsIf you are interested in the mechanics of stellar collapse, go to the science forum and open a thread asking for an explanation. The folks there will be glad to elucidate provided you keep god out of the mix.
You say that when a very huge star collapses with a very large mass it
becomes a singularity so massive nothing can escape it not even light.
How do we know a star, small or hugh, can collapse? And what exactly
does he mean by "collapse"? Does he mean the star burns out?
17 Aug 11
Originally posted by avalanchethecatAlthough, as always, Wikipedia would be a good place to start:
If you are interested in the mechanics of stellar collapse, go to the science forum and open a thread asking for an explanation. The folks there will be glad to elucidate provided you keep god out of the mix.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_collapse