Originally posted by no1marauderRunning out of arguments again, marauder ?
Why don't you grow up? You turn everyone of these threads into a personal vendetta. When ever anybody brings up historical truth that demolishes your fairy tales and wild claims, they are part of the conspiracy against the Roman Catholic Church. Your childish blatherings are tiresome and sickening.
Originally posted by no1marauderIf you read my criticism concerning your debating style you might know the answer.
I present facts and arguments; you whine about non-existent conspiracies. I've yet to see you comment on any of the facts presented in the Schoenberg article in the portion I cut and pasted. Want to give it a whirl?
Originally posted by no1marauderPerhaps you should ask yourself this question .... but first reread my criticism very carefully ..... and the other comments and remarks I posted in this thread.
How is your silly criticism of my "debating style" an answer to the historical facts presented in the Schoenberg article?
Originally posted by ivanhoeIvanhoe, for the last year pretty much all I've read from you is your criticism of how other people express their ideas here; it's tiresome and pointless. If you want to directly address the facts presented in the Schoenberg article, do so; if not, fine but stop pretending you're interested in the truth.
Perhaps you should ask yourself this question .... but first reread my criticism very carefully ..... and the other comments and remarks I posted in this thread.
Originally posted by no1marauderYou got nerve, marauder .... you really got nerve.
Ivanhoe, for the last year pretty much all I've read from you is your criticism of how other people express their ideas here; it's tiresome and pointless. If you want to directly address the facts presented in the Schoenberg article, do so; if not, fine but stop pretending you're interested in the truth.
Originally posted by vistesd(Shrug) I have no idea how to have a reasonable debate with someone who constantly refuses to address the facts concerning the matter in question. Ivanhoe always makes it about his childish personal vendetta against me. So be it.
Sometimes, I’d like to lock the two of you in a room with a case of Grolsch (no, make that a keg—no glass bottles!) and not let you out till you promise to go back to your old straightforward brawly fights with each other! At least then I can watch an interesting fight. This is worse than my nitpicking with No.1 over the Albigensians!
On second thought, ...[text shortened]... rink all the beer… I must be nuts (turns the key in the lock, muttering mad things to himself&hellip😉
Originally posted by no1marauderWell at least there's this--since I didn't edit out my "mad mutterings" quick enough, you caught my admission that I was nitpicking over the Alb-Cathars... :'(
(Shrug) I have no idea how to have a reasonable debate with someone who constantly refuses to address the facts concerning the matter in question. Ivanhoe always makes it about his childish personal vendetta against me. So be it.
Originally posted by no1marauderOh please marauder, you're not that important to me.
(Shrug) I have no idea how to have a reasonable debate with someone who constantly refuses to address the facts concerning the matter in question. Ivanhoe always makes it about his childish personal vendetta against me. So be it.
Marauder: "I have no idea how to have a reasonable debate with someone who constantly refuses to address the facts concerning the matter in question."
You have no idea to have a reasonable debate ...... The audacity. Stop the insults, the provocations, the accusations and your lies and reread my criticism to your "debating style", marauder.
Go and have a pissing match with somebody else. I gave you this advice before, now follow it and bugger off.
Originally posted by ivanhoeYou act like a petulant 5-year old. You obviously have no answer to the facts presented in the Schoenberg article, so you are reduced (as usual) to your crybaby complaining about how unfair other people's "tactics" of presenting facts you don't like are. I'm wise to your game, Ivanhoe.
Oh please marauder, you're not that important to me.
[b]Marauder: "I have no idea how to have a reasonable debate with someone who constantly refuses to address the facts concerning the matter in question."
You have no idea to have a reasonable debate ...... The audacity. Stop the insults, the provocations, the accusations and your lies and rer ...[text shortened]... a pissing match with somebody else. I gave you this advice before, now follow it and bugger off.[/b]
Here is my criticism again in case you don't manage to find the post in question:
I criticise your style of debate because it is not aimed at the truth, but on scoring points. Your whole style of debate is contaminated with efforts trying to manipulate. You very often try to divert to side-issues in a desperate effort to direct the argument away from a debate that is being lost. If you do not succeed in doing so, if you are not getting your way, you start acting like a petulant child. Insults and other personal attacks start flying over the forums.
You often succeed in completely undermining the original debate. You often try to picture your opponent as an extremist, a fanatic, a delusional idiot, while in reality it is you who takes the extremist stance and it is you who is often denying reality. Your false analogies, of which you claim they do not exist, and your straw men are notorious.
One of your favorite strategies, and I've seen you perform this trick succesfully many many times, is to bring your opponent in a position wherein you present a position and force your opponent to refute it. Very clever. You can lay back and simply wipe away everything your opponent presents to you. Easy points ..... in your immature way of thinking.
I pointed out your numerous fallacies on more than one occasion. You don't have to inform me that you do not accept my criticism. Of course you don't.
Your annoying insults and other personal attacks are just a minor part of your manipulating style. Your style is soaked in innuendo, distortions of the way the debate is developing, unacceptable and dominating attempts of steering the debate away from the questions you cannot or are unwilling to answer. Your debating style is soaked in constant provocations, little lies and blatant lies, easy to spot for the unbiased, mature and able spectator. You would be thrown off every self respecting academic debating forum if you would try to participate in one.
You lack the capacity or the willingness to understand others. You are dead to the feelings of others. You even shamelessly inform your opponent of the latter. You lack emotional integrity and intellectual objectivity. You have an annoying expectation of entitlements. These are, among others, the reasons why debates with you so often escalate and deteriorate into emotional conflicts.
It is about time marauder, you realise the above points. It is time you start realising the other is as vulnerable as you are. It is time to become a responsible adult, marauder.