Originally posted by RJHinds
Sin is still sin regardless of the of the belief of an individual. The ultimate
punishment for sin according to the Holy Bible is death. God has left the
final judgment up to His Son, who knows the will of God. It will be up to
the Son of God to forgive or not based upon His knowledge of our heart's
intent and the will of God. But you have free will ...[text shortened]... ill be a final
judgment for whatever you do in the flesh, good or bad.

Merry Christmas. 🙂

No, you do not "have free will to believe whatever you wish". Belief is not predominantly an active process where one just chooses to believe this or that at will.

P.S. You did not answer the question.

P.P.S. Your response also seems contradictory since you claim that ultimately the punishment for sin is death (full stop). Then you go on to claim that ultimately the punishment for sin is discretionary unto Jesus. Please clarify.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
first of all, its irrelevant whether the persons are in 'a monogamous relationship that
both partners find very meaningful, valuable, satisfying, healthy' your words,
homosexuality is immoral from a Biblical perspective. That they do not believe in
the existence of God is also irrelevant, homosexuality is immoral from a Biblical
perspective, ...[text shortened]... published, widely translated and widely
distributed publication in the history of humanity.

You did not answer the question. Please answer the question.

Originally posted by LemonJello
You did not answer the question. Please answer the question.

threee times i have answered it, here ill put it in bold in case you are myopic,

ALL immoral acts (which includes homosexuality) relative to Gods standards are
punishable by the practitioner being cut off from God (because of their unrepentant
attitude). This is not only 'fair', it is just.

Originally posted by LemonJello
No, you do not "have free will to believe whatever you wish". Belief is not predominantly an active process where one just chooses to believe this or that at will.

P.S. You did not answer the question.

P.P.S. Your response also seems contradictory since you claim that ultimately the punishment for sin is death (full stop). Then you go on to claim that ultimately the punishment for sin is discretionary unto Jesus. Please clarify.

Don't you know that Jesus paid the penalty for death? Since He was the
Son of God and the son of man, the fact that He voluntarily gave up His
sinless human life to pay the penalty for all humanity gives Him the
right to judge the living and the dead and give eternal life to whomever
He chooses. 😏 HalleluYah !!!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
threee times i have answered it, here ill put it in bold in case you are myopic,

[b]ALL immoral acts (which includes homosexuality) relative to Gods standards are
punishable by the practitioner being cut off from God (because of their unrepentant
attitude). This is not only 'fair', it is just. [/b]

But I made it explicitly clear in the example I gave that S has no unrepentant attitude. So, you still have not answered the question.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Don't you know that Jesus paid the penalty for death? Since He was the
Son of God and the son of man, the fact that He voluntarily gave up His
sinless human life to pay the penalty for all humanity gives Him the
right to judge the living and the dead and give eternal life to whomever
He chooses. 😏 HalleluYah !!!

I am not sure how this clarifies anything. Is it the case that the punishment for sin is death; or not?

Originally posted by LemonJello
But I made it explicitly clear in the example I gave that S has no unrepentant attitude. So, you still have not answered the question.

then I am afraid i dont hold out much hope for poor S.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
then I am afraid i dont hold out much hope for poor S.

Is that a "yes"?

Originally posted by LemonJello
I am not sure how this clarifies anything. Is it the case that the punishment for sin is death; or not?

Yes, absolutely. No exceptions. All of us that have sinned will surely die.
The Holy Bible says that it is appointed for man once to die, then the
judgement. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
Yes, absolutely. No exceptions. All of us that have sinned will surely die.
The Holy Bible says that it is appointed for man once to die, then the
judgement. 😏

So you expect to be dead just temporarily, then?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
first of all, its irrelevant whether the persons are in 'a monogamous relationship that
both partners find very meaningful, valuable, satisfying, healthy' your words,
homosexuality is immoral from a Biblical perspective. That they do not believe in
the existence of God is also irrelevant, homosexuality is immoral from a Biblical
perspective, ...[text shortened]... published, widely translated and widely
distributed publication in the history of humanity.

Yes and these feelings of "meaningful, satisfying, happy, etc" are not reasons for God to overlook these actions of practicing homosexuality. Murderers, thieves and most other things that humans do that are wrong and are condemned by God can have these same feelings once commented. Many have lost that reaction of sinning but fall prey to the euphoric feelings or satisfaction they feel.
They justify their actions by the good feelings they have.

Originally posted by LemonJello
So you expect to be dead just temporarily, then?

I expect to die in the body and be quickened in the soul. 😏 HalleluYah !!!

Originally posted by RJHinds
The Mosaic Laws were made by Moses due to the hardness of the peoples hearts.

So the Mosaic Laws did not reflect the will of God?

Originally posted by galveston75
Murderers, thieves and most other things that humans do that are wrong and are condemned by God can have these same feelings once commented. Many have lost that reaction of sinning but fall prey to the euphoric feelings or satisfaction they feel.
They justify their actions by the good feelings they have.

The "euphoric feelings or satisfaction" felt by murderers and thieves are irrelevant. Theft and murder cause harm to other people. Theft and murder restrict or violate other people's rights. Homosexuality does not cause harm to another person. Homosexuality does not restrict another person's rights to freedom and life and their property. Your "moral" comparison between murder and homosexuality fails completely under scrutiny.

Originally posted by FMF
So the Mosaic Laws did not reflect the will of God?

The Mosaic laws was the way Moses thought would help his people
do the will of God. So he meant well, according to my understanding
of what Jesus said about it.