@chaney3 saidOn the whole, the Bible has serious issues.
Then the bible is a joke.
The proof is that nobody can agree on its meaning.
If you're against capital punishment, you can find verses / passages to support your position.
If you're for capital punishment, you can find verses / passages to support your position.
Same goes for slavery, homosexuality and any number of other issues.
The gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth is much less problematic.
@thinkofone saidThe bible cannot be trusted.
On the whole, the Bible has serious issues.
If you're against capital punishment, you can find verses / passages to support your position.
If you're for capital punishment, you can find verses / passages to support your position.
Same goes for slavery, homosexuality and any number of other issues.
The gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth is much less problematic.
Truth is this: the God of OT needed a character adjustment, thus the "creation" of Jesus.
The whole book is likely a fraud.
@thinkofone saidWell not really. If you look at the finale verses in the Bible which is the perfect place these are located, it tells this in
It's really simple.
The Bible is what it is. The Bible is steeped in metaphor, is widely open to interpretation and contains inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions. Though most refuse to admit it, they pick and choose the verses and passages that support their beliefs and dismiss those that don't and often do so in a most disingenuous manner.
Rev 22 18,19:
18 “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll,
19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll."
So this is very clear from God that we do not change anything written or taught in the Bible.
Then if you go to 2 Peter it tells us this:
2 Peter 1:20
"For you know this first, that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation."
We cannot make interpretations from the Bible. Yes the prophesies are hard to understand at times mistakes are made which is why this scripture warns us on this and you feel the way you do which is understandable. But God also says as the days of this system come to an end that he will let those prophecies become clearer and more precise and easily understood.
But one has to be willing to listen and ask God for guidance.
@galveston75 saidWe cannot make interpretations from the Bible.
Well not really. If you look at the finale verses in the Bible which is the perfect place these are located, it tells this in
Rev 22 18,19:
18 “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll,
19 and if anyone takes ...[text shortened]... more precise and easily understood.
But one has to be willing to listen and ask God for guidance.
And yet people not only do, with the Bible being widely open to interpretation, they must. You can pretend that this isn't the case, but it is what it is.
For example, the JW position on blood transfusions is based upon THEIR interpretation of the Bible.
Just because you believe that the JW interpretations are correct, doesn't mean that they aren't interpretations.
@galveston75 saidHysterical hypocrisy.
Well not really. If you look at the finale verses in the Bible which is the perfect place these are located, it tells this in
Rev 22 18,19:
18 “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll,
19 and if anyone takes ...[text shortened]... more precise and easily understood.
But one has to be willing to listen and ask God for guidance.
The JWs even contracted out to write their own Bible. They've changed countless things in the Bible because they had created a doctrine that was not supported by any currently printed Bible and so they simply wrote their own, which miraculously supported every strange dogma they' ve been trying for years to foist on people.
So for a JW to stand up here and quote Revelation 22:18-19 is simply world-class hypocrisy.
They've changed more of the Bible than anyone.
@ghost-of-a-duke said1 John 5:3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
'Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.'
Jesus did not instruct you to hate your neighbour or judge them if they happened to be gay. (Or black or of a different religion etc).
So the love of God would be to follow what scripture says on the matter.
@whodey saidGiven that GoaD quoted Jesus, the following is much more apt:
1 John 5:3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
So the love of God would be to follow what scripture says on the matter.
John 14
21“He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
23Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24“He who does not love Me does not keep My words;...
So according to Jesus, it isn't to "follow scripture", it is to keep HIS commandments. Not follow. Not try to keep. But KEEP.
@whodey saidLove for God is to follow God's will. This is not the same as "following scripture", because everyone seems to spend a lot of time claiming scripture says something it does not in order to mold it to their opinion, instead of actually following God's will. In these cases "scripture" actually removes us from God's will because we end up following our own opinion instead of God.
1 John 5:3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
So the love of God would be to follow what scripture says on the matter.
Jesus is our Lord. Our Lord is not (or shouldn't be ) a book.
@suzianne saidLol. We changed the Bible? Perhaps it's yours that was changed and we are correcting those changes back to it's original wordings. Ever consider that?
Hysterical hypocrisy.
The JWs even contracted out to write their own Bible. They've changed countless things in the Bible because they had created a doctrine that was not supported by any currently printed Bible and so they simply wrote their own, which miraculously supported every strange dogma they' ve been trying for years to foist on people.
So for a JW to stand u ...[text shortened]... velation 22:18-19 is simply world-class hypocrisy.
They've changed more of the Bible than anyone.
For instance in order to help facilitate the trinity doctrine, which is not a bible teaching, in most bible's the most important name in the universe was removed and that is Almighty God's name which is Jehovah, not Jesus. In fact it has been removed over 7000 times, not just a couple times.
I would say this is a glaringly obvious lie Satan was behind in order to fool Billions of humans to make the trinity doctrine an easier pagan teaching to pass off as a truth.
Anyway I doubt you'll look it up but to others here, this will help to see the charge that suzianne continues to make over and over is not the truth. Her bible is the one who has removed God's own name....If it has done that, what else has been changed to help fool others with her bible that is compromised.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/new-world-translation-accurate/
@galveston75 saidYou believe "Satan was behind" all the Bibles there have ever been for the last 1,000+ years except the one your non-stock non-profit corporation commissioned in the mid-20th century?
I would say this is a glaringly obvious lie Satan was behind in order to fool Billions of humans to make the trinity doctrine an easier pagan teaching to pass off as a truth.