Are RHP atheists preventing "salvation"?

@pb1022 said
Under your doctrine, no one knows until after they’re dead if they’re saved.

What's morally wrong with people not knowing if they’re "saved" until after they’re dead? Isn't it referred to as "Judgement Day"? You make it sound as if your beliefs about yourself and immortality are little more than an ongoing get out of gaol card and opium all rolled into one, metaphorically speaking.

@josephw said
So strange that you should continually hawk that line.

Prove it. Provide a single quote where I spoke of a so called "church doctrine".

Here is one of many ... every sin the believer ever committed, past, present and future was forgiven.

This is not in the bible. This is only in your church doctrine

@rajk999 said
Actually the truth is my doctrine comes from the mouth of Christ.

Where is that in the bible... clearly it is not there otherwise you would have posted the reference instead of blabbering like a retard.

Jesus whispers in your ears at night while you're sleeping.

Are you suffering from Psychophobia? This isn't the first time you've used the mentally handicapped as a crutch for insulting others.

You really are a demented human being.

@kellyjay said
Either your sins are forgiven, or they are not. Jesus forgives us, or He does not; we are redeemed, or we are not, we are saved, or we are not. Do you have any reference for that being any other way? A single verse you could even twist?

John 3

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in th ...[text shortened]... is all or nothing, so again you are either are right with God through Jesus Christ, or you are not.

Here is Paul addressing saved born again Chrsitian Saints who have been already forgiven for the PAST SINS .. NOT FUTURE AS HE CLEARLY STATED... that if they fall away there is no more forgiveness

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)

Here again .. those Christians who live sinfully will not inherit the Kingdom of God

[i]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.(Galatians 5:20-21 KJV)[i]

Clearly they were forgiven for their past sins when they professed their faith and they were saved by Grace through faith. BUT they continued to live in sin, and they will be cast out of the Kingdom of God.... they are NOT FORGIVEN FOR THEIR SINS SUBSEQUENT TO THEIR CONVERSION

@josephw said
Jesus whispers in your ears at night while you're sleeping.

Are you suffering from Psychophobia? This isn't the first time you've used the mentally handicapped as a crutch for insulting others.

You really are a demented human being.

Here is one of many ... every sin the believer ever committed, past, present and future was forgiven.

This is not in the bible. This is only in your church doctrine

@josephw said
Are you suffering from Psychophobia? This isn't the first time you've used the mentally handicapped as a crutch for insulting others.

Oh the irony.

@fmf said
All your future "sins" are forgiven? You can't get "unsaved"? What an absolutely delightful thing to believe about yourself!

Is that the best you can do?

No retort of substance? Obviously you're stumped by the concept.

@josephw said
Is that the best you can do?

It's a pretty good encapsulation, I think. Do you believe all your future "sins" are forgiven? Do you believe you can't get "unsaved"?

@josephw said
Obviously you're stumped by the concept.

I am not "stumped" by a concept if I can sum it up in a short post like that which simply repeats back at you what you said moments earlier.

@rajk999 said
Here is one of many ... every sin the believer ever committed, past, present and future was forgiven.

This is not in the bible. This is only in your church doctrine

1 John 1:5-10
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Cleanses us from all sin and unrighteousness.

Reply with your gibberish. Please do tell us you have no sin, or never sin.

@fmf said
Oh the irony.

Is that it?

@josephw said
Is that the best you can do?

No retort of substance? Obviously you're stumped by the concept.

Christ and all the Apostles would also be stumped ... lol 😀 ... Its not in the bible, and they would just laugh at you and your stupid church pastors that preach that rubbish

@fmf said
It's a pretty good encapsulation, I think. Do you believe all your future "sins" are forgiven? Do you believe you can't get "unsaved"?

It wouldn't be salvation otherwise.

Do you know what salvation is? Are you saved? Do you know what it means to be saved? Personal experience maybe?

Talk about irony! An unsaved person telling me what the scriptures say about salvation. What will they think of next?

@fmf said
I am not "stumped" by a concept if I can sum it up in a short post like that which simply repeats back at you what you said moments earlier.

Is it eternal security you are balking at?

@rajk999 said
Here is Paul addressing saved born again Chrsitian Saints who have been already forgiven for the PAST SINS .. NOT FUTURE AS HE CLEARLY STATED... that if they fall away there is no more forgiveness

[i]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God ...[text shortened]... ut of the Kingdom of God.... they are NOT FORGIVEN FOR THEIR SINS SUBSEQUENT TO THEIR CONVERSION[/b]

Yes, those who walked away from the Lord are guilty; they are condemned no differently than those who don't believe in the Lord, with the exception they have lost their ability to return. Jesus said all who do not believe in Him are condemned, but they can still respond to God, while those spoken of in Hebrews lost that chance.

Those in the book of Hebrews (we don't know who wrote that book) saw that the Lord was good and didn't care; they wanted something else. So all the way guilty, not partway, not somewhere in the between, there is no in-between with God regarding salvation and redemption.

I'm not an OSAS Christian; there are too many warnings in scripture about the danger of walking away, not forgiving as we are forgiven, and so on.