Are RHP atheists preventing "salvation"?

@pb1022 said
First I’m hearing of it.

Can you produce the quote?

Here it is in full:

'The Lord is not building His church in Christendom, which is composed of the apostate Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant denominations. This...is being fulfilled through the Lord's recovery, in which the building of the genuine church is being accomplished...Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, as well as Judaism, all [have] become an organization of Satan.'

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Here it is in full:

'The Lord is not building His church in Christendom, which is composed of the apostate Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant denominations. This...is being fulfilled through the Lord's recovery, in which the building of the genuine church is being accomplished...Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, as well as Judaism, all [have] become an organization of Satan.'

He is very well aware that sonship promotes that doctrine because he was around in some form/name when these matters were being discussed. Secondson,, josephw, Kj and all other Christians simply turn a blind eye to sonship's false doctrines and these people only come out and say something when you dig it out of them.

Witness Lee and the JWs have much in common.

@fmf said
But "...a believer can still go to "Hell" because of their "sins" even though they still believe in Jesus" gets to the heart of the matter.

What you said isn't logical, nor is it characteristic of the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Salvation is of God. God saves. A man/woman must have faith in what God did to procure their salvation. At the moment of salvation every sin the believer ever committed, past, present and future was forgiven.

Done deal. There is nothing in the narrative of scripture that says a saved individual can become unsaved.

@rajk999 said
He is very well aware that sonship promotes that doctrine because he was around in some form/name when these matters were being discussed. Secondson,, josephw, Kj and all other Christians simply turn a blind eye to sonship's false doctrines and these people only come out and say something when you dig it out of them.

Witness Lee and the JWs have much in common.

And nary a word out of you about the "blind eye" of the naysayers as they deny the one you pretend to believe in.

@josephw said
What you said isn't logical, nor is it characteristic of the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Salvation is of God. God saves. A man/woman must have faith in what God did to procure their salvation. At the moment of salvation every sin the believer ever committed, past, present and future was forgiven.

Done deal. There is nothing in the narrative of scripture that says a saved individual can become unsaved.

You say ... the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ. ...
... every sin the believer ever committed, past, present and future was forgiven.

This is not in the Gospel message of Jesus Christ.
Neither is it in Pauls version of the Gospel Message.
If it is then please quote a reference. One will do. Thanks

You say There is nothing in the narrative of scripture that says a saved individual can become unsaved...

Nobody says that, so you are arguing with yourself. Paul said that a saved person, a born again person, a justified by Christ person, a Christian Saint in Christ CAN BE DESTROYED, and WILL NOT INHERIT the Kingdom of God. Nobody says anything about being unsaved.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Here it is in full:

'The Lord is not building His church in Christendom, which is composed of the apostate Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant denominations. This...is being fulfilled through the Lord's recovery, in which the building of the genuine church is being accomplished...Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, as well as Judaism, all [have] become an organization of Satan.'

Who said that?

Believers are everywhere. Some are Catholic, some are Protestant and some are Jews, and some are stupid.

"The church" is an organism, not an organization. It, "God's church", is invisible. Man's institutions are visible.

@josephw said
Who said that?

Believers are everywhere. Some are Catholic, some are Protestant and some are Jews, and some are stupid.

"The church" is an organism, not an organization. It, "God's church", is invisible. Man's institutions are visible.

I cannot believe you jokers pretend that you do not know the doctrine that is promoted by sonship here. Imagine it takes atheist [and this is not the first time] to bring to your attention his false Christian doctrines... shameful

@josephw said
And nary a word out of you about the "blind eye" of the naysayers as they deny the one you pretend to believe in.

It is very clear now that you do not understand the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ. Your church doctrine has corrupted your mind. By far the worst denial Christ is the one described here

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
(Matthew 25:41-45 KJV)

Every time you ignore those in need you have denied Christ. Jesus said .. ... as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. This is the denial that leads to damnation.

What does that have to do with atheists? Christians have actively discouraged doing good works, referring to them as works salvation, legistic and Pharaisacal while atheists have stated that they believer that the the teachings of Christ are worth keeping and in fact many do stop to help those in need.

@rajk999 said
He is very well aware that sonship promotes that doctrine because he was around in some form/name when these matters were being discussed. Secondson,, josephw, Kj and all other Christians simply turn a blind eye to sonship's false doctrines and these people only come out and say something when you dig it out of them.

Witness Lee and the JWs have much in common.

If the doctrine lines up with the scripture, it is the doctrine I care about. I don't care who is or is not in agreement with it; it isn't based upon personalities. Your doctrine is works-based; it flys in the face of scripture that speaks directly to either being saved by good works of righteousness or obeying the law. We can do neither and earn our way into the Kingdom of God.

@rajk999 said
You say ... the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ. ...
... every sin the believer ever committed, past, present and future was forgiven.

This is not in the Gospel message of Jesus Christ.
Neither is it in Pauls version of the Gospel Message.
If it is then please quote a reference. One will do. Thanks

You say [i] There is nothing in the narrative of s ...[text shortened]... AN BE DESTROYED, and WILL NOT INHERIT the Kingdom of God. Nobody says anything about being unsaved.

The Jesus you make up in your mind is one I'm not at all concerned about, but the one in scripture I am. The one in scripture doesn't contradict the rest of the Bible as you do when you preach your personal made-up Jesus, who demands works to be saved instead of grace through faith.

@rajk999 said
I cannot believe you jokers pretend that you do not know the doctrine that is promoted by sonship here. Imagine it takes atheist [and this is not the first time] to bring to your attention his false Christian doctrines... shameful

Believe it or not you are the joke.

While sonship may promote some ideas I disagree with, and until recently haven't paid that close attention to, you on the other hand are a purveyor of heresy, and promote the grossest misinterpretations and misapplications of scripture as anyone I've ever heard here or anywhere.

@rajk999 said
It is very clear now that you do not understand the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ. Your church doctrine has corrupted your mind. By far the worst denial Christ is the one described here

[i]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: ...[text shortened]... r that the the teachings of Christ are worth keeping and in fact many do stop to help those in need.

I pay little attention to liars. So why don't you just shut up?

@josephw said
Who said that?

Believers are everywhere. Some are Catholic, some are Protestant and some are Jews, and some are stupid.

"The church" is an organism, not an organization. It, "God's church", is invisible. Man's institutions are visible.

It was one of Witness Lee's ramblings.

@josephw said
Believe it or not you are the joke.

While sonship may promote some ideas I disagree with, and until recently haven't paid that close attention to, you on the other hand are a purveyor of heresy, and promote the grossest misinterpretations and misapplications of scripture as anyone I've ever heard here or anywhere.

Well here is your chance to prove it.. instead of running your mouth, demonstrate that you know what you talking about, instead of making ridiculous doctrines that are not in the bible.

You say ... the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ. ...
... every sin the believer ever committed, past, present and future was forgiven.

This is not in the Gospel message of Jesus Christ.
Neither is it in Pauls version of the Gospel Message.
If it is then please quote a reference. One will do. Thanks

You say There is nothing in the narrative of scripture that says a saved individual can become unsaved...

Nobody says that, so you are arguing with yourself. Paul said that a saved person, a born again person, a justified by Christ person, a Christian Saint in Christ CAN BE DESTROYED, and WILL NOT INHERIT the Kingdom of God. Nobody says anything about being unsaved.

@rajk999 said
It is very clear now that you do not understand the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ. Your church doctrine has corrupted your mind. By far the worst denial Christ is the one described here

[i]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: ...[text shortened]... r that the the teachings of Christ are worth keeping and in fact many do stop to help those in need.

Under your doctrine, no one knows until after they’re dead if they’re saved.

The Holy Bible says otherwise. The Bible says people can know they are saved while they are on earth.

“Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”

(1 John 4:4)

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