-Removed-My reply to your OP:
Originally posted by josephw
No.
I believe the verse you sited refers to the time immediately following the return of Jesus and not before.
galveston says:
"Sorry but that thought does not match the scripture here..."
divegeester, galveston thinks I'm wrong. JW doctrine does not allow for the fulfilment of certain prophecies. For example the literal rule of Jesus Christ reining from a restored Israel as the exclusive dominant nation on earth.
You see divegeester, prior to the captivity, i.e. enslavement in Babylon, Israel was a sovereign nation. But never since has Israel been anything other than under other national rule.(except perhaps what we see today in the middle east)
But the verses you sited are in reference to a future Israel even though they appear within the context of another concurrent story.
The Bible is full of these sorts of things which is why there is so much disagreement about interpretation. But a careful reading leaves no doubt as to what God is talking about in this particular passage.
The last time "The Glory of the Lord" filled the temple was after Solomon built it.
Next time Jesus Himself will sit on the throne of David in the temple and rule the earth from Israel for a thousand years.
Originally posted by josephwWe completely agree with Bible prophicies but our understanding doesn't agree with yours.
My reply to your OP:
Originally posted by josephw
No.
I believe the verse you sited refers to the time immediately following the return of Jesus and not before.
galveston says:
[b]"Sorry but that thought does not match the scripture here..."
divegeester, galveston thinks I'm wrong. JW doctrine does not allow for the fulfilment o ...[text shortened]... t on the throne of David in the temple and rule the earth from Israel for a thousand years.[/b]
If you truly believe Jesus will one day walk on this earth again as a human, prove by scripture that fact you think is so clear.
Again..... make that perfectly clear "by scripture".
-Removed-I didn't say anything about global warming. Global warming is not a 'catastrophic weather event', nor is it a 'load of bull'.
Now how about addressing the actual points I made, or are you so desperate to make the prophesy come true that you wish to overlook the fact that the key elements you are using to match current events to the prophesy are simply not true.
-Removed-Well, lets see. In this thread, you made a claim regarding weather events and 'shaking nations'. I challenged both claims and you reply with sarcasm.
I challenge you again, and and you come up with :
Ok-ok jeez who hammered your last nail in!
Now if that isn't a direct insult then I don't know what is.
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-Removed-I think population has a lot to do with it, but far more important are two key illusions:
1. There is more global news than in the past and it focuses heavily on disasters. This gives the illusion that there are more disasters when in reality there are simply more disasters that you read about in the news.
2. We live here and now and did not live through the world wars or some of the other catastrophic events of the past so we have a bias towards thinking current events are more important (which they are to us, but not statistically).
I guess the relationship between wars and "shaking" is relative to the time period being examined and the world's ability to recover from those events.
Surely if you are trying to match a prophesy to real world events, you should be looking at the whole time period that the prophesy could possibly be referring too, which I would think is not long after the prophesy was written to now. Unless you succumb to the illusions I mention earlier, the World wars (and many other events in the last few thousand years since that prophesy was written) far outweigh any 'nation shaking' going on now.
I would even say the collapse of the Soviet Union would better match the description than a few riots in North Africa.
Remember your thread title was "Are the nations shaking" yet you seem quite uninterested in knowing whether or not they actually are.