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Originally posted by @fabianfnasAtheism comes from a decision about theistic claims. Babies haven't made such decisions, and so are not atheist.
Exactly, babies hasn't done the decision, therefore it is an atheist.
When the baby and grown up, he can (1) make his own decision, or he can (2) just follow his parents decision. (1) means that the decision has been taken consciously and seriously. However I think (2) is much more common.
Indoctrination is normal. Children of actors/politicians/doctors tend to become actors/politicians/doctors. But children of actors/politicians/doctors are not actors/politicians/doctors any more than the children of anyone is anything, including theistic or atheistic.
Babies have no opinion yet on theistic issues. Atheism reflects an opinion on theistic issues.
I say every new born baby is atheist, meaning that it doesn't believe in a god, in any god at all, and only later make a decision according to (1) or (2) above.
Never heard a new born baby utter his first word as 'halleluja', never...
I say babies have no opinion of god-belief, one way or the other. And none have popped into this world while claiming that they are unconvinced that gods exist.
What do rocks has anything to do with anything here? Show me a christian rock, and perhaps I will change my opinion. But not until then...
You say babies do not believe in god, therefore they are atheistic. Rocks don't believe in gods either.
Listen please. You are using standard definitions for a technical subject. Your conversation isn't even 101 yet.
Originally posted by @apathistI witnessed the birth of all four of my kids. I immediately loved them, I would not be surprised if a touch of the devine rests on all new borns. Never gave it a thought it you said that.
I've heard that newborns remember heaven.
Originally posted by @kellyjayEveryone feels that. Hindus and Muslims. Are your forever banned from seeing past your indoctrination.
I witnessed the birth of all four of my kids. I immediately loved them, I would not be surprised if a touch of the devine rests on all new borns. Never gave it a thought it you said that.
Originally posted by @apathistActually, you don't win at all.
That is not a good approach. Atheism involves a decision about particular claims. Babies haven't made that decision. Babies are without theism, and are also without atheism.
Rocks don't believe in god, but that doesn't make them atheistic. We don't win by default.
By rejecting God, you sentence yourselves.
Just sayin'.
Originally posted by @kellyjayAm I still at number 4?
Your non-stop insulting of my faith, isn't placing you on my top ten list.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeNo, you moved to 2 and held it for three weeks, but your at 3 now. Still well done you!
Am I still at number 4?
Originally posted by @kellyjay🙂 I once made it to number 2 on Suzianne's top 10 list, but dropped dramatically to 397 when I questioned the watchability of Star Trek.
No, you moved to 2 and held it for three weeks, but your at 3 now. Still well done you!
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI just thought your check got held up in the mail. Direct deposit is so much better! 😉
🙂 I once made it to number 2 on Suzianne's top 10 list, but dropped dramatically to 397 when I questioned the watchability of Star Trek.
Originally posted by @suzianneBut I don't reject God. I don't reject easter bunny santa clause or tooth fairy, either. I just see no reason to think they exist.
Actually, you don't win at all.
By rejecting God, you sentence yourselves.
Just sayin'.
Christianity is weird, as religions go. The passes to the preferred afterlife go not to the moral people, those who try hard to do right. Instead they go to the sycophants, those ready and willing and even desperate to bend the knee.
Your God drowned the planet in a fit of anger at its own mistake! All hail, right?