Originally posted by josephwListen Joseph.
Sometimes I think you folks is smokin' weed.
From what I've seen, there are few rational Christians who post on this forum. In fact, many of the Christians are decidedly irrational. On the other side, there seem to be few irrational atheists. Even when I do not agree with them, their arguments, by and large, have an air of reasonableness to them. I can't say the same about the arguments by Christians.
I'm sure YOU think your arguments are reasonable, but I'm sorry, they just aren't.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIt's irrational when one thinks they're always right and that they're opinions constitute truth.
Listen Joseph.
From what I've seen, there are few rational Christians who post on this forum. In fact, many of the Christians are decidedly irrational. On the other side, there seem to be few irrational atheists. Even when I do not agree with them, their arguments, by and large, have an air of reasonableness to them. I can't say the same about the arg ...[text shortened]... ans.
I'm sure YOU think your arguments are reasonable, but I'm sorry, they just aren't.
You should be sorry.
Originally posted by josephwEdit: “Atheism denies the existence of a creator. So, it's twin, evolution, fills the void.”
Okay. So I'm not getting through. I'll try another tact.
Atheism denies the existence of a creator. So, it's twin, evolution, fills the void.
If either is true, then perception of reality resides only in what one knows through the senses.
That being the case, things such as law and morality are merely inventions of humans and is therefore subject to ...[text shortened]... a better species. What difference does it make. We're all dead just the same.
In a box.
Atheists stand against specific falsified religious and metaphysic theories of reality that accept the existence of a “supernatural entity who created the universe”, and they act this way due to the fact that there is not the slightest scientific and philosophic find and evidence pointing towards that direction. However there are miscellaneous non-falsified scientific theories or reality that explain which way the universe could come into existence without a deus ex machina.
On the other hand, the theory of evolution is not related to the so called creation of the universe.
Edit: “If either is true, then perception of reality resides only in what one knows through the senses.”
Regardless of one’s religious beliefs, one’s perception of reality is related solely to the physical world, to her/ his psychological world and to the world of the ideas that are projected by the individual and the humanity. The interface we are using in order to be connected with these three worlds are our 6 senses alone.
Edit: “That being the case, things such as law and morality are merely inventions of humans and is therefore subject to speculation.”
Inventions of the human mind as law and morality are indeed subject to speculation and they must be accepted or rejected after concrete evaluation and reasoning alone. In a secular society we go through this issue by means of intelligent debate.
Edit: “One is then free to exercise they're will in any way they choose, and when all is said and done it won't matter one wit.”
Nope; after the evaluation and the consensus, the accepted law and the given morality become social agents that they trigger specific behavior and attitude within the society. If you break the law you will suffer the consequenses.
Edit: “As a matter of fact we could just as easily exterminate the human race and wait for another 500,000 years to pass and see if nature can create a better species. What difference does it make. We're all dead just the same.”
I do not understand your point.
Edit: “In a box.”
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Originally posted by josephwAtheism doesn't aim to produce anything. It's not a religious or philosophical perspective - just the absence of one.
Then why can't anyone argue with my points?
Atheism produces nothing. Atheism is a void in reality simply because it has no merit.
I couldn't have simplified it any more than I did, and still there are no coherent rebuttals.
My atheism doesn't determine who I am, what I believe, how I act - I do these things based on my ethical standpoint, on my background, on my education, on my past experiences, and so on.
Originally posted by josephwYou got a whole page of responses to your first post. You ignored them and went on to say:
Then why can't anyone argue with my points?
"Okay. So I'm not getting through. I'll try another tact."
Now you claim that nobody can argue with your points? Maybe it is because you are sitting there with your hands over your eyes.
I am still waiting to hear from you whether you deliberately insulted me when you implied that I am less capable of thinking outside the box than you or whether it was merely a logical error on your part. (It certainly did not logically follow from anything you have presented thus far).
There are a whole range of other questions you have not yet answered - and you wonder why you cannot 'get through to us'.
Originally posted by josephwWow, that's quite possibly the worst argument I have ever seen on this forum.
–noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
Okay. So if one thinks that they are merely the sum total of all that they have experienced through their senses, then their life is scripted.
If ones' life is only scripted, then that one has their head in a box, so to speak.
If ones' head is in a box, then one cannot think outside the box.
...[text shortened]... nk outside that box; because his or her thinking is limited by a finite number of experiences.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneAnd yet when I point out to you that your position has within it a gross flaw in logic you have nothing to say?
Listen Joseph.
From what I've seen, there are few rational Christians who post on this forum. In fact, many of the Christians are decidedly irrational. On the other side, there seem to be few irrational atheists. Even when I do not agree with them, their arguments, by and large, have an air of reasonableness to them. I can't say the same about the arg ...[text shortened]... ans.
I'm sure YOU think your arguments are reasonable, but I'm sorry, they just aren't.
Your position is so unstable and irrational that you won't even let anyone use your own rationale to debate with you. Is there any standard of logic (or otherwise) that you will hold yourself to? It seems the only criteria you ever apply is "ToONE is always right".
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Atheists believe that once your life is over you turn to dust.
The only thing you leave behind is what you have accomplished, your children etc.
But if we had a nuclear war and the world was blown up there would be nothing left.
Accomplishments, memories, children, EVERYTHING would be gone. Dead.
As a Christian, if the world blew up we would still have life AFTER death. The possibilities of our eternal life are endless.
Atheists are in a box.
Originally posted by SharpeMotherThe possibilities of eternal life are endless?
Atheists believe that once your life is over you turn to dust.
The only thing you leave behind is what you have accomplished, your children etc.
But if we had a nuclear war and the world was blown up there would be nothing left.
Accomplishments, memories, children, EVERYTHING would be gone. Dead.
As a Christian, if the world blew up we w ...[text shortened]... life AFTER death. The possibilities of our eternal life are endless.
Atheists are in a box.
Even if there were evidence that any gods actually did exist, and that they had kids who were nailed to bits of wood, and they intervened in our lives whenever they felt like it and not when they didn't ... even if all this were true, the notion of eternal life is abhorent.
We live and die, so that the world can continue, so that other life can go on, so our children can grow and make their own way.
I don't want to live in a world where we go on and on and on and on ... what a bizarre and horrendous place that would be.
Originally posted by amannioni think its more horrendous to live seventy or eighty years, with so much potential and never seeing it fulfilled, that is the ultimate tragedy, dont you think?
The possibilities of eternal life are endless?
Even if there were evidence that any gods actually did exist, and that they had kids who were nailed to bits of wood, and they intervened in our lives whenever they felt like it and not when they didn't ... even if all this were true, the notion of eternal life is abhorent.
We live and die, so that the world ...[text shortened]... rld where we go on and on and on and on ... what a bizarre and horrendous place that would be.
Originally posted by SharpeMotherSo you are suggesting that atheists should believe in christianity because you assume it will make them feel better?
Atheists believe that once your life is over you turn to dust.
The only thing you leave behind is what you have accomplished, your children etc.
But if we had a nuclear war and the world was blown up there would be nothing left.
Accomplishments, memories, children, EVERYTHING would be gone. Dead.
As a Christian, if the world blew up we w ...[text shortened]... life AFTER death. The possibilities of our eternal life are endless.
Atheists are in a box.
If my arm gets chopped off, no believing that it will grow back will make it grow back, even if I wanted it to.