Originally posted by KellyJayYou have no interest in this discussion, you just seek an easy way to deny any alternative to your naive and simplistic worldview. You don't want to think, you would rather reject what is, if your worldview has any basis in reality, the greatest gift your god has bestowed upon you. But that's fine, I understand. Life is easier that way, eh?
Stick to the topic, are you changing the topic by speaking about something other than nothing? I am not afraid of learning anything new. If we could just stay on topic that would be nice.
Originally posted by KellyJayBut isn't this exactly the nature of the discussion that the OP purportedly seeks? Isn't this thread, ultimately, about eliciting different ideas and perspectives? Why are you complaining about it?
Some may suggest other events else where, could cause all things here, but that doesn't really answer the question either, it only pushes it away. just to avoid it by casting another layer of what if this, or that occurred else where.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatOh please, I have been talking about everything from nothing since I have been in this thread. You are the one who piped into a discussion than wasn't able to even voice a possible alternative, then cry about my not wanting to change the topic.
You have no interest in this discussion, you just seek an easy way to deny any alternative to your naive and simplistic worldview. You don't want to think, you would rather reject what is, if your worldview has any basis in reality, the greatest gift your god has bestowed upon you. But that's fine, I understand. Life is easier that way, eh?
Originally posted by KellyJayWhat "nothing" are you referring to?
Oh please, I have been talking about everything from nothing since I have been in this thread. You are the one who piped into a discussion than wasn't able to even voice a possible alternative, then cry about my not wanting to change the topic.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatNegatives and positives are charges which means again not, nothing. You can accept another universe, but not a eternal creator. It personal for you?
One possible explanation: there may still be nothing, the universe we observe may be balanced by a universe which is in some way negative to our positive, so that when combined they come to nothing. Our current situation may be nothing more than a fluctuation in nothing, without cause or purpose.
You have not stated 'factually' that nothing can p ...[text shortened]... e anything other than nothing. You have stated it, and you may believe it, but it is not a fact.
Originally posted by KellyJayI gave you an alternative, but it wasn't enough for you, I suspect because you didn't really understand it.
Oh please, I have been talking about everything from nothing since I have been in this thread. You are the one who piped into a discussion than wasn't able to even voice a possible alternative, then cry about my not wanting to change the topic.
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Originally posted by KellyJayOh i am fully able to accept the possibility of a creator, but an eternal creator is a nonsensical construct.
Negatives and positives are charges which means again not, nothing. You can accept another universe, but not a eternal creator. It personal for you?
I wasn't talking about negative and positive charges.
Originally posted by josephwWhen it comes to me acknowledging and putting forward what I believe, acknowledging what I don't know, and engaging your assertions, I do know what I am talking about,
All you posts are a parody of reason brought on by a pseudo psychological need to prove you think you know what you're talking about.
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Originally posted by josephwCan you explain how I am supposed to go from "a creator exists" to "Jesus lives"? Surely "the evidence of all that exists" supports any religion that contends that "a creator exists"? How do you justify your assertion that the evidence you see [that a creator exists] validates the claims you make about Jesus?
Will you ever cease to project your illusions of what you imagine has transpired on these pages?
It's a simple matter. That a creator exists is determined by the evidence of all that exists. No such evidence exists to the contrary.
This is a simple straightforward assertion, which causes enormous upheaval in the minds of those under the influence of th ...[text shortened]... e dilemma except to make unfounded accusations.
Face it. Jesus lives. Or be ground to powder.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatAll I asked from you was just say we were no longer talking about nothing, but instead gone
I gave you an alternative, but it wasn't enough for you, I suspect because you didn't really understand it.
onto not talking about how everything got here, by just talking about more of everything that
was already here.
Originally posted by avalanchethecat"... which is in some way negative to our positive"
Oh i am fully able to accept the possibility of a creator, but an eternal creator is a nonsensical construct.
I wasn't talking about negative and positive charges.
This is why I thought you were talking about positive and negative charges.
Why would a eternal creator by nonsensical to just a creator?
Originally posted by avalanchethecat"Like you and josephw and everybody else, I haven't got the faintest idea."
Like you and josephw and everybody else, I haven't got the faintest idea. I'm ok with that, I don't feel a need to pretend that I know and tell others how mad they are for nailing their colours to a different imaginary mast.
Speak for yourself. I don't just have the 'faintest idea', I know, and I'm not pretending.
I guess it really gripes everyone's belly that I should say I know, especially by those that claim they don't know, and then insist on projecting their ignorance on someone else.
Can someone explain why it is that those who claim not to know how the universe came into being can insist that nobody else does either? Where's the logic in that?
Because I say I see the universe and life here on this planet as evidence for a creator, and because I see God's fingerprint on it all, I am told by those that don't see that, that everything in existence isn't the evidence of a creator, but offer no evidence to prove it isn't.
Well guess what? Somebody is delusional.
Originally posted by josephwYou are still yet to explain why creation is evidence for the Christian God and not the creator Gods of Hinduism.
[b]"Like you and josephw and everybody else, I haven't got the faintest idea."
Speak for yourself. I don't just have the 'faintest idea', I know, and I'm not pretending.
I guess it really gripes everyone's belly that I should say I know, especially by those that claim they don't know, and then insist on projecting their ignorance on someone else. ...[text shortened]... a creator, but offer no evidence to prove it isn't.
Well guess what? Somebody is delusional.[/b]
Is it because you can't?
Originally posted by KellyJayMy question was to Joe, a question he has deliberately avoided answering. Happy to move on to a new topic when he has done so.
One topic at a time, do you acknowledge a creator is required? If not why split hairs on who it is until then?
Joe's whole argument is based on the position that creation is evidence for the God he believes in, and yet has provided no 'exclusive link' for this claim. Or are you happy Kelly for me to conclude that the Hindu Gods of creation are responsible for the world I see around me?
Apparently I am mentally deluded for not believing something that even Joe himself can't evidence. 🙄