Authority.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Yes, but you still have to approve/accept the bible's authority before it is an authority in your life. Hence, it is still your "say so" that gives the bible authority over your life, so it still comes back to you, not "God".

Again you are referring to what I call free will. I consider authority
something different than what you do. Don't you agree that neither
of us has authority over the rain, the wind, or the sun. When I was
working in a job I had no authority over my boss or who I was doing work
for. My pay was determined by a higher authority. I had the free will
to take it or leave it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Again you are referring to what I call free will. I consider authority
something different than what you do. Don't you agree that neither
of us has authority over the rain, the wind, or the sun. When I was
working in a job I had no authority over my boss or who I was doing work
for. My pay was determined by a higher authority. I had the free will
to take it or leave it.

You create your own reality. You chose to create one in which there is a hierarchy of power/authority, amongst other things.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
You create your own reality. You chose to create one in which there is a hierarchy of power/authority, amongst other things.

I was not aware of that. And come to think of it, I still am not aware of it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I was not aware of that. And come to think of it, I still am not aware of it.

Doesn't mean it's not true. Actually, a more accurate way to put it would be " you co-create your own reality".
But if you are not aware of that , then that's a shame, sounds like you could be fodder for the whim of many misleading forces.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Doesn't mean it's not true. Actually, a more accurate way to put it would be " you co-create your own reality".
But if you are not aware of that , then that's a shame, sounds like you could be fodder for the whim of many misleading forces.

Shame on me. The story of my life.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Shame on me. The story of my life.

If you are serious with that comment then it's not too late.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
If you are serious with that comment then it's not too late.

Too late for what? Surely, you can't mean I can create my on reality this
late in life. Besides, I would not know where to start.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I only receive the little authority that is given to me. In all other cases I
must obey a higher authority or take the consequences. I do not even
understand what authority the Vedanta is supposed to have. Dasa has
never really explained this authority because none of us are worthy
because of our dishonesty, ignorance, meat eating, or whatever other
...[text shortened]... hat authority He choose
to give us in this life. As Dasa might say, I am too ignorant to know.

Why do you twist my words to make it sound like I have said something I have not said.

You are sounding like fmf when you do that.

You know it is dishonest to twist words.

I have said that when persons defend falsity and reject truth they are not then qualified to understand deeper spiritual matters.

When someone eats meat and defends the killing of animals they are not pure enough to understand intimate details of God.

I have not presented those intimate details - but I have presented many other things which are considered basics of spirituality and are informative for those who actually know nothing about true religion/spirituality.

I have however explained the details of authority in this forum and you were clearly able to read and understand that - so what are you referring to when you say I have not explained authority?

I will discuss with anyone who can at least ask a polite question - but most questions are very sarcastic and insincere and I usually pass over on those inquiries.

Please do not twist my words and present what I have said honestly.

Originally posted by Dasa
Why do you twist my words to make it sound like I have said something I have not said.

You are sounding like fmf when you do that.

You know it is dishonest to twist words.

I have said that when persons defend falsity and reject truth they are not then qualified to understand deeper spiritual matters.

When someone eats meat and defends the killing of ...[text shortened]... over on those inquiries.

Please do not twist my words and present what I have said honestly.

He is not twisting your words, in fact I think he summarised you very accurately. If you feel you are being misinterpreted then perhaps you should reconsider your approach.

Originally posted by Dasa
Why do you twist my words to make it sound like I have said something I have not said.

You are sounding like fmf when you do that.

You know it is dishonest to twist words.

I have said that when persons defend falsity and reject truth they are not then qualified to understand deeper spiritual matters.

When someone eats meat and defends the killing of ...[text shortened]... over on those inquiries.

Please do not twist my words and present what I have said honestly.

I was not aware that I had twisted your words. I thought I had presented
your position honestly. At least in the way I understood it. Maybe, I am
misunderstanding some of what you intended to say. But I know little
about what the Vedas teach because you have said it is up to us to find
out, because of various reasons, no one on RHP forum is honest enough
for you to tell any more until they stop killing animals or eating meat. I
already believe I am not just my body; but I am body, soul, and spirit. It
appears to be similiar to your idea but not exactly. I believe God has
granted us the authority to eat the flesh of animals minus the blood. This
I understand is different from your view. It seems to be a difference of
opinion. But you expect us to accept your opinion over what is written
in our Holy Bible because you say your Holy Bible has more authority than
our Holy Bible. Must we believe this on your say alone. You could be a
false teacher for all we know. As a Christian I have never heard of this
Veda before you brought the subject up. It could have been written 2 yrs
ago for all I know.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I was not aware that I had twisted your words. I thought I had presented
your position honestly. At least in the way I understood it. Maybe, I am
misunderstanding some of what you intended to say. But I know little
about what the Vedas teach because you have said it is up to us to find
out, because of various reasons, no one on RHP forum is honest en ...[text shortened]...
Veda before you brought the subject up. It could have been written 2 yrs
ago for all I know.

You know Veda is not written 2 yrs ago and in fact it pre-dates history itself because it is eternal.

The Bible is only recent.

I have discussed all of this many times.

I have discussed many things about the Veda and you are saying you know nothing of what I present..

You can look up my public forum post and all will be there......all my posts.

Your comments about the Veda are clearly incorrect.

The Bible was compiled by the animal killers for the animal killers.

Its the religion of the animal killers - and because of that it can help no one.

The Bible teaches falsity - and I have spoken about this before....you have seen the post.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I must be deluded then for I see very little authority within myself.
I have not even been able to tell the mountain to go jump into
the ocean and get it to obey me. I am usually the one obeying
some other authority, like gravity or whatever you wish to call
it since your authority is within you.

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done." -- Matthew 21:21, KJV

You must have the faith of the mustard seed, grasshopper.

Originally posted by Dasa
You know Veda is not written 2 yrs ago and in fact it pre-dates history itself because it is eternal.

The Bible is only recent.

I have discussed all of this many times.

I have discussed many things about the Veda and you are saying you know nothing of what I present..

You can look up my public forum post and all will be there......all my posts.

Y ...[text shortened]... e.

The Bible teaches falsity - and I have spoken about this before....you have seen the post.

I have seen many of your posts, but I don't recall seeing any proof
of what you say. Maybe, that was before I came on the forum.
I think I will stick to my Holy Bible because it provides better
promises and I will not have to keeping jumping in and out of
bodies for an undetermined amount of time. Also I can enjoy
eating meat if I wish while I am in my body on the earth without
feeling guilty of a sin. Besides the blood of Christ will cover all
my sins so I can live eternally in a heavenly paradise.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I have seen many of your posts, but I don't recall seeing any proof
of what you say. Maybe, that was before I came on the forum.
I think I will stick to my Holy Bible because it provides better
promises and I will not have to keeping jumping in and out of
bodies for an undetermined amount of time. Also I can enjoy
eating meat if I wish while I am in ...[text shortened]... des the blood of Christ will cover all
my sins so I can live eternally in a heavenly paradise.

This is verging on insanity to think you can kill and go to your imagined heaven.

The Bible was compiled by the animal killers for the animal killers to cheat the people.

The people were certainly cheated and are still being cheated.

The Bible/Quaran is directly responsible for the increase of atheism - for no free thinking sane person can accept it.

Originally posted by Dasa
This is verging on insanity to think you can kill and go to your imagined heaven.

The Bible was compiled by the animal killers for the animal killers to cheat the people.

The people were certainly cheated and are still being cheated.

The Bible/Quaran is directly responsible for the increase of atheism - for no free thinking sane person can accept it.

I accept the Holy Bible, but not the Quran. Do you say animal killers wrote the
Holy Bible? If so what is your proof. Do you have any record that Yahshua
was an animal killer? He helped His disciple find where there was fish so
they could catch fish to eat. Is that considered an animal killer to you. If so
I strive to be as much like Yahshua as I can, for He is my salvation. There is
no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.