Originally posted by twhiteheadAttacking words, LOL you are kidding right? Please, you use a word
You yourself implied that a yardstick was straight. That is my definition not yours. Even you use my definition, you just don't understand it.
Do you not think it is odd that you have no argument against my claims and thus resort to attacking words? My claim doesn't need to 'sound reasonable' it is mathematically provable or disprovable. If you can disprove it, you can do so whatever reasonable sounding words I use.
whose meaning is without bends or angles, you say it is a circle, and
that is just supposed to be accepted? In your description you alter
the definition of straight so that your theory isn’t lampooned I guess,
and I’m supposed to accept that, because? Either a line is straight or
it is not, once it bends, curves, or whatever we than start talking about
bends and curves, because straight has left the building.
Kelly
Originally posted by twhitehead🙂 Yes, a yard stick is closer to a straight line than a circle any day of
You yourself implied that a yardstick was straight. That is my definition not yours. Even you use my definition, you just don't understand it.
Do you not think it is odd that you have no argument against my claims and thus resort to attacking words? My claim doesn't need to 'sound reasonable' it is mathematically provable or disprovable. If you can disprove it, you can do so whatever reasonable sounding words I use.
the week.
Kelly
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Twhitehead 🙂
If I was you I would consider give up trying to make KellyJay understand because he has clearly simply chosen to not even ever try to understand because to do so would result in that understanding conflicting with his religious beliefs.
That must be true because he certainly is NOT stupid and I am absolutely certain IF he genuinely wanted to understand then he would have done so from these forums a very long time ago because he is more than capable of doing so and many people have spent a huge amount of time making some very large, comprehensive and extraordinary excellent posts explaining various scientific concepts to him only for him to throw it all back into their faces so you could be just wasting your time with him just like I have being doing.
I am currently seriously considering giving up trying to make him understand anything -he simply doesn’t want to!
Instead of trying to understand, his recent tactic is just to endlessly sidetrack us into irrelevant and erroneous arguments about the meaning of the words we use to try and make him understand so that we do not even have the time to just to clarify to him what the scientific concept is.
In some of my recent posts, I have spent a huge amount of time very clearly explaining the 4-dimensional curvature of 3-dimensional space which is a well established scientific fact in modern cosmology (which I leaned just a bit about at some of my university physics courses) and he just either ignores it or just throws the opportunity to understand it straight back into my face.
I see no reason why he would treat your attempts to make him understand any different.
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Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonKJ just doesn't want to understand. He cannot think outside his little box. He believes what his authoroties tell him to believe without any doubts, and rejects any other way to look at things. He doesn't care to learn about things he thinks he already knows everything about, but obviously don't. He has an immensly amount of energy to try convince others, but has no energy at all to find out the truth.
Twhitehead 🙂
If I was you I would consider give up trying to make KellyJay understand because he has clearly simply chosen to not even ever try to understand because to do so would result in that understanding conflicting with his religious beliefs.
That must be true because he certainly is NOT stupid and I am absolutely certain IF he genuinely ...[text shortened]... y face.
I see no reason why he would treat your attempts to make him understand any different.
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonThe issue we are having with words is that you are attempting to
Twhitehead 🙂
If I was you I would consider give up trying to make KellyJay understand because he has clearly simply chosen to not even ever try to understand because to do so would result in that understanding conflicting with his religious beliefs.
That must be true because he certainly is NOT stupid and I am absolutely certain IF he genuinely ...[text shortened]... y face.
I see no reason why he would treat your attempts to make him understand any different.
frame concepts using words that do not apply, or you apply them
completely improperly voiding your argument in my opinion. As
soon as you start using straight line circular logic you have strayed
away from reality, your math may work, but how you are describing
things falls apart.
Kelly
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou have never offered truth, you have offered what you think maybe
KJ just doesn't want to understand. He cannot think outside his little box. He believes what his authoroties tell him to believe without any doubts, and rejects any other way to look at things. He doesn't care to learn about things he thinks he already knows everything about, but obviously don't. He has an immensly amount of energy to try convince others, but has no energy at all to find out the truth.
true, you offer what another has worked on, but truth not so much.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayThis is Spirituality Forum so you can believe what you want. We have freedom fof religion. You believe in satan, I don't.
You have never offered truth, you have offered what you think maybe
true, you offer what another has worked on, but truth not so much.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayNot by your definition of straight. Only by mine, and only in a given set of dimensions. The fact that you clearly don't realize that only shows your ignorance and refusal to address the argument.
🙂 Yes, a yard stick is closer to a straight line than a circle any day of
the week.
Kelly
I guess I will take Andrew Hamilton's advice and give up trying to explain concepts to you that you clearly do not want to know. What is sad is that knowing them will not prove your religion false, so your extreme resistance to them is unnecessary.
ps. If a straight yardstick is placed in space at an appropriate distance from a black hole of an appropriate size, its ends will touch.
Originally posted by twhiteheadKnock youself out, no one is forcing you to answer my questions or
Not by your definition of straight. Only by mine, and only in a given set of dimensions. The fact that you clearly don't realize that only shows your ignorance and refusal to address the argument.
I guess I will take Andrew Hamilton's advice and give up trying to explain concepts to you that you clearly do not want to know. What is sad is that knowing th ...[text shortened]... pace at an appropriate distance from a black hole of an appropriate size, its ends will touch.
points.
I gave you an example where the globe reprented the earth, because
of you statement on why a circle could be thought of as a straight line.
I gave you a yard stick to represent a straight line, like the globe
represented the earth, and you want to cry over a yard stick. I say
you really do need to go off some where and only talk to people who
like you define a straight line as a circle and be happy.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayWhat are your questions and points? So far you seem to be attempting to counter my claims by pretending that they are ridiculous or in a foreign language. You don't like my definition of 'straight' yet you are yet to give an example where your definition can be used. In fact you keep using my definition and not yours. Why would you pick a yardstick to represent a straight line when a yardstick is nowhere near straight by your definition? I have even given an example where a yardstick can form a circle.
Knock youself out, no one is forcing you to answer my questions or
points.
I gave you an example where the globe reprented the earth, because
of you statement on why a circle could be thought of as a straight line.
I gave you a yard stick to represent a straight line, like the globe
represented the earth, and you want to cry over a yard stick.
I say you really do need to go off some where and only talk to people who
like you define a straight line as a circle and be happy.
Kelly
I do not define a straight line as a circle (you clearly haven't been reading my posts very carefully). My definition is the standard definition and everyone uses it (even you, you just haven't thought about it hard enough yet).
I am curious. Do you really not understand the concepts under discussion, or do you simply not like to admit when you are wrong? If you do not understand the concepts, do you want to understand them?
What is so terrible about learning a little basic math and science?
Originally posted by twhiteheadI find your use of language ridiculous so far, with you that has been
What are your questions and points? So far you seem to be attempting to counter my claims by pretending that they are ridiculous or in a foreign language. You don't like my definition of 'straight' yet you are yet to give an example where your definition can be used. In fact you keep using my definition and not yours. Why would you pick a yardstick to rep ...[text shortened]... nt to understand them?
What is so terrible about learning a little basic math and science?
my point. I have given you a definition of straight and I have shown
you that your employment of circle being straight from a certain point
of view isn't true but an illusion if you are looking at the
circumference; however, for an example of straight look at the
diameter or radius of a circle those are straight.
Kelly
Originally posted by twhitehead"I do not define a straight line as a circle (you clearly haven't been reading my posts very carefully). "
What are your questions and points? So far you seem to be attempting to counter my claims by pretending that they are ridiculous or in a foreign language. You don't like my definition of 'straight' yet you are yet to give an example where your definition can be used. In fact you keep using my definition and not yours. Why would you pick a yardstick to rep ...[text shortened]... nt to understand them?
What is so terrible about learning a little basic math and science?
"So circles are in fact always straight lines in at least one set of dimensions by definition. "
Yes, I'm having trouble with how you define circles and straight lines.
Kelly