Originally posted by stoker
you are true to state wars are fought with a beleif at its heart. but its more to do with power and greed. the lastest wars a example. very few declare holy wars against another faith.
lots of trouble in this world yes yes yes but are you ignoring all other troubles other than wars??? killing rape theft are not confind to wars.
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Originally posted by karoly aczel
Heres one answer for the 2 posts above:
Yes I had a belief when I took upon my origonal premise and part of that premise is that my belief(s) would be shattered upon completion of that premise.
I would argue that unless certain attributes of your premise are in fact set in stone, then you have to be open to the possibility that your beliefs will be shattered in a different way, for example by coming to realise that there is no god.
Originally posted by Lord SharkYep,that is a good interpretation of the words I typed-cant argue with you there.
Originally posted by karoly aczel
[b]Heres one answer for the 2 posts above:
Yes I had a belief when I took upon my origonal premise and part of that premise is that my belief(s) would be shattered upon completion of that premise.
I would argue that unless certain attributes of your premise are in fact set in stone, then you have to be op ...[text shortened]... efs will be shattered in a different way, for example by coming to realise that there is no god.[/b]
I'm going to need some time and rest to get my mind together , but I'm not runnig away from this thread.
Originally posted by karoly aczelWhile you get your head together, here is yet another perspective on belief. Beleif is nothing more than an interpretation of the data around you. For example, we used to think that the universe revolved around the earth based upon the fact of our observations of nature of watching the stars move across the sky routinely in a systamatic pattern. However, as we now know these beliefs were misguided. The data was not bad, rather it was merely the interpretation of the data that was wrong. So why have a belief at all? The reason is that the data is totally useless without being able to interpret it. For example, we could calculate how and when the stars move acorss the sky routinely but for what end? For what purpose other than simply to have the data in and of itself?
Yep,that is a good interpretation of the words I typed-cant argue with you there.
I'm going to need some time and rest to get my mind together , but I'm not runnig away from this thread.
Beliefs are related to thinking,right?
(i think this is from bhuddism)
Thinking along spiritual terms can be thought of in 4 different ways:
Thinking as...
1. Stone. These thoughts are hard and need to be chisselled or broken to be changed
2.Sand. These thoughts also stay rigid however they can more easily be brushed away
3. Water. water takes on whatever form it sits in. water flows to the lowest ground.
(obviously these analogies can be taken much furthur but I'm sure you can use your imaginations)
4. "the thinking of an enlightened person". No analogies here. This type of thinking is beyond our current understanidng and should not be compared to any of the above.
I would like to think I think 'like water'. I readily take on others ideas and just as readily drop them.
Originally posted by karoly aczelSo would that make you an agnostic or atheist?
Beliefs are related to thinking,right?
(i think this is from bhuddism)
Thinking along spiritual terms can be thought of in 4 different ways:
Thinking as...
1. Stone. These thoughts are hard and need to be chisselled or broken to be changed
2.Sand. These thoughts also stay rigid however they can more easily be brushed away
3. Water. water takes on ...[text shortened]... o think I think 'like water'. I readily take on others ideas and just as readily drop them.
Originally posted by whodeyYou tell me, I will wear whatever labels you want to give me.
So would that make you an agnostic or atheist?
I don't consider myself any of those but if pressed for an answer...maybe i'm leaning towards agnostic?
(that question has made me confused🙄)
What are you? christian?
Originally posted by karoly aczelYes, a Christian.
You tell me, I will wear whatever labels you want to give me.
I don't consider myself any of those but if pressed for an answer...maybe i'm leaning towards agnostic?
(that question has made me confused🙄)
What are you? christian?
Want to hear a good joke? What do you call an agnostic? He is an atheist without any gonades. LOL.
Now is that a belief or a fact?
You can believe in whatever you want but that dose not make what you believe to be necessarily true. Example: You can believe that the earth is flat but that can be proved false. Example:You can believe that if you jump off a building you will not fall and go splat!! But try it & see LOL 🙂 So I would say somethings are absolutes!! I believe you should try to believe in what can be proved at least for metal sanity 🙂
Manny