Originally posted by jaywillI'm going to go see this week some time.
I saw Ben Stien's movie [b] Expelled.
I liked it and thought it made its points well. I would have recommended that he present some of the fears of things like Spanish Inquisition and Salem Witch Trials to equal it out a little more for the Evolutionists.
There's enough blame to go around.
He did show a progression from Darwin to Nazism. To ...[text shortened]... kins to admit that Intelligent Design was possible, as long as we are not talking about a God.[/b]
Kelly
Originally posted by Mark AdkinsYou have not made me explode. Can it be that you do not exercise conscious control over reality?
Conrau K wrote: " It might be the case that neurological science collapses the distinction between the two [the conscious and the unconscious], as you argued. What matters is that your solipsism presupposes an unconscious, whatever that means. And given that creativity and deliberation are unique powers of the ego, then your unconscious must also be an ...[text shortened]... and by your seemingly malicious misrepresentations and distortions of my arguments.
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Originally posted by KellyJayKelly, I think that one of the things that that documentary has done for me is to realize that the athiests / evos are just going to keep saying the same things.
Seems to me that there are plenty of people rejecting it without seeing
it either.
Kelly
Why bother listening to them anymore for reasonable responses? They'er just going to trash the movie in their usual manner.
Less and less do I even bother to hear them. I expect nothing from the usual crowd like athiest / evos Dawkins and friends.
Originally posted by KellyJayTrue. I was being a smartass 🙂
Seems to me that there are plenty of people rejecting it without seeing
it either.
Kelly
I reject it without seeing it, but I have read a number of sites (both for and against) and frankly, the examples the movie uses of ID proponents being blacklisted for their belief in ID seems weak at best.
I have been a bit undecided whether I should watch it to know what it actually is and have my $10 go to a film that I'm pretty sure is academically worthless or to have my conscience clear that I'm not supporting an anti-science cause. I chose to keep my $10 and buy something worthwhile with it.
I have made an effort to actually investigate the contents of the movie though.
My comment was primarily based on how RBHILL seemed to have an unusual faith in the content of the movie though.
Originally posted by PsychoPawnYou have read a number of sites, other have read a number of sites
True. I was being a smartass 🙂
I reject it without seeing it, but I have read a number of sites (both for and against) and frankly, the examples the movie uses of ID proponents being blacklisted for their belief in ID seems weak at best.
I have been a bit undecided whether I should watch it to know what it actually is and have my $10 go to a film ...[text shortened]... marily based on how RBHILL seemed to have an unusual faith in the content of the movie though.
and people either want to see or are rejecting it due to the sites they
want to believe. My point is that you should go see it for yourself or
just let someone else tell you about it and make up your mind for
you. If you are not going to see it but reject it, why bother worrying
about anyone who wants to see and even by into what the film
suggests is true?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayShould I accept it without going to see it?
You have read a number of sites, other have read a number of sites
and people either want to see or are rejecting it due to the sites they
want to believe. My point is that you should go see it for yourself or
just let someone else tell you about it and make up your mind for
you. If you are not going to see it but reject it, why bother worrying
about anyone who wants to see and even by into what the film
suggests is true?
Kelly
I don't care if someone wants to see it and buy into it. Their ignorance is their problem.
I'm not worried about you in particular or someone else in particular. I'm more worried about the attempt to redefine scientific theories into what ID is - not a scientific theory, but more an untestable hypothesis.
You are very dismissive of my looking for actual information on the film as if you just assume that I just dismiss anything that I don't agree with You are free to judge me according to the stereotype you think of me, hey, that's your right, but it doesn't make it true.
I wonder if you've even come close to doing the same kind of research.
Originally posted by Conrau KThe film isn't trying to prove that. It's only trying to prove that science is really just a grand conspiracy to keep those who dare question one particular theory out.
If this film really proves that God exists, then surely the producers have a moral obligation to promote it as free. That way, they ensure everyone can see it.
The scientific conspiracy doesn't seem to care about any other theory being questions, but just this one in particular.
Originally posted by PsychoPawnThe premise of the movie is that there is academic suppression of Intelligent Design theory, and for less than scientific reasons. It is not characterizing Science as a conspiracy by any means, just lampooning those in positions of power in the scientific community today (Big Science) who deserve it. Go see the movie! You've wasted $10 on a lot worse things, I'm sure! Stop acting so pious!
The film isn't trying to prove that. It's only trying to prove that science is really just a grand conspiracy to keep those who dare question one particular theory out.
The scientific conspiracy doesn't seem to care about any other theory being questions, but just this one in particular.
Originally posted by PsychoPawnIf they are so concerned about the sabotage of legitimate scientific research, then they should form a lobby-group.
The film isn't trying to prove that. It's only trying to prove that science is really just a grand conspiracy to keep those who dare question one particular theory out.
The scientific conspiracy doesn't seem to care about any other theory being questions, but just this one in particular.
Originally posted by dizzyfingersPious? Hilarious.
The premise of the movie is that there is academic suppression of Intelligent Design theory, and for less than scientific reasons. It is not characterizing Science as a conspiracy by any means, just lampooning those in positions of power in the scientific community today (Big Science) who deserve it. Go see the movie! You've wasted $10 on a lot worse things, I'm sure! Stop acting so pious!
The problem is that the examples they have even put forward are pretty weak - at best.
I'm waiting to see demonstrable cases where people have had their careers ruined for illegitimate reasons.
I've wasted $10 dollars on worse, sure. However that doesn't mean I should choose to waste that money. That's just not good reasoning.
Originally posted by PsychoPawnYou say that the cases they are putting forward are weak at best, and that you are waiting to see demonstrable cases where people have had their careers ruined for illegitimate reasons.
Pious? Hilarious.
The problem is that the examples they have even put forward are pretty weak - at best.
I'm waiting to see demonstrable cases where people have had their careers ruined for illegitimate reasons.
I've wasted $10 dollars on worse, sure. However that doesn't mean I should choose to waste that money. That's just not good reasoning.
I'll call your bluff - I don't believe you even know about the cases that are presented. Tell me about them ...