Originally posted by sonhouseI worked Apollo timing and tracking and I know exactly how far away the astronauts were.
Are you freaking serious? Jack, I was there. I worked Apollo timing and tracking and I know exactly how far away the astronauts were.
If it was a fake, think HARD about this: Don't you think it would have been in Russia AND China's interest to prove it was a fake? Not a word from either. They would have LOVED to have the propaganda victory.
You have ...[text shortened]... he one where 911 was caused by the FBI. Let's see, Castro off'd Kennedy.
You into any others?
If that were the case, what prompted the need for the fake images?
Why would the astronauts create a false image of their position in relation to the earth when they were in orbit of it if they were, indeed, tens of thousands of miles away?
Don't you think it would have been in Russia AND China's interest to prove it was a fake? Not a word from either.
How would they do that, exactly, if all of the information was issuing from one source: NASA?
They would have LOVED to have the propaganda victory.
Interesting choice of words.
You are not even old enough to have SEEN the flights I imagine so you are just another assshole with a hard on against the government.
Although you eclipse me in age, I was old enough to watch the production on the black and white television in my parent's front room while munching on McDonald's 18 cent cheeseburgers.
Do I trust my government?
Absolutely: just as far as I can throw it.
What OTHER conspiracy theories do you ascribe to? Let's see, there was the one where 911 was caused by the FBI. Let's see, Castro off'd Kennedy.
I don't know the exacts of the who or even the specific why, but to not see government agency complicitcy in both 9/11 and the assassination of JFK is the height of willful ignorance.
You into any others?
Sandy Hook, for one.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBH
[b]I worked Apollo timing and tracking and I know exactly how far away the astronauts were.
If that were the case, what prompted the need for the fake images?
Why would the astronauts create a false image of their position in relation to the earth when they were in orbit of it if they were, indeed, tens of thousands of miles away?
Don't you thi ...[text shortened]... of JFK is the height of willful ignorance.
[b]You into any others?
Sandy Hook, for one.[/b]
If that were the case, what prompted the need for the fake images?
What fake images? I have never seen any evidence at all that any 'fake' images exist.
[that are actual from NASA from the missions images]
I have however seen lots and lots of genuine ones.
I thus do not buy the premise of the question, I don't have to explain non-existent fake
images.
YOU must first prove thus such images actually exist.
Why would the astronauts create a false image of their position in relation to the earth when they were in orbit of it if they were, indeed, [hundreds] of thousands of miles away?
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Again I don't have any evidence or reason to suppose that that is true.
However given the primitive nature of the technology at the time, and human
nature, it's possible that a mistake got made at some point. [possibly in the press
releases] but it evidently was not serious enough [if such a mistake does actually exist]
to cause them to fail in their mission.
How would they do that, exactly, if all of the information was issuing from one source: NASA?
I was watching a program [about a decade ago now] talking to the astronomers at a radio
telescope in the north of the UK, and they reminisced about how they turned the telescope
towards the moon an picked up the signal from the astronauts on the moon so they could
watch the landing on their own gear. [which wasn't what they were supposed to be doing as
they are not any part of the space program or NASA's deep space tracking]
If they could [and did] do that, then so could Russia, and China, and anyone else with a radio
telescope. The first pictures of the Moon walk famously came from Australia.
Also, Russia had this thing called the KGB. They were actively spying on the USA and the space
program, and they had agents [and bugs] in all kinds of places. We know that they got hold of
all kinds of top secret information during the cold war, it's unbelievably hard to rationally believe
that they could have missed all hints of a conspiracy this large.
NASA having tens of thousands of employees, and civilian contractors, working on this project
for years.
Originally posted by sonhouseDo you know if the story about Buzz Aldrin slugging a reporter who was dogging him about the moon landing being faked is true?
Sad to say there are still lots of people who believe the moon landing was faked. If anyone says something and enough people hear it, some of them will believe them true or false.
If so, good on him.
Originally posted by googlefudgeWhat fake images? I have never seen any evidence at all that any 'fake' images exist.If that were the case, what prompted the need for the fake images?
What fake images? I have never seen any evidence at all that any 'fake' images exist.
[that are actual from NASA from the missions images]
I have however seen lots and lots of genuine ones.
I thus do not buy the premise of the question, I don't have to explain non- ...[text shortened]... g tens of thousands of employees, and civilian contractors, working on this project
for years.
I don't know what to tell you, really.
I can tell you I have seen a lot.
Are we any closer now that we have that out of the way?
I have however seen lots and lots of genuine ones.
How would you know, exactly?
YOU must first prove thus such images actually exist.
You don't hold to the company line very well, do you?
Again I don't have any evidence or reason to suppose that that is true.
Apparently, you're just not imbued with a natural curiosity.
Pity, that.
If you were, you'd be faced with some pretty compelling evidence which at least challenges the official public record, if not completely contradicts the same.
For instance...
At one point in their publicly released narrative, Armstrong is stating the capsule is 130,000 miles from earth (thus the "tens of thousands of miles" which required no editing to ensure accuracy), and pointing out the earth's glow which is the only visible light in the sky for the camera to capture--- the camera itself pressed up against the window of the module.
However, in their official non-public videos, this same scene is playing out between the astronauts and Houston, as they discuss the best way to darken all of the other light sources from other windows in order to make it appear as though the earth is, indeed, the only "light" in their periphery.
Additionally, although they claim to have the camera pressed up against the window, the arm of one of the astronauts very clearly passes between the camera and the image of the earth--- meaning the image is being taken from the other side of the capsule.
Why the need for chicanery?
If they could [and did] do that, then so could Russia, and China, and anyone else with a radio telescope.
If.
The first pictures of the Moon walk famously came from Australia.
You'd think they should come from the moon.
Huh.
Also, Russia had this thing called the KGB.
Go on...
We know that they got hold of all kinds of top secret information during the cold war, it's unbelievably hard to rationally believe that they could have missed all hints of a conspiracy this large.
They have what we want them to have.
NASA having tens of thousands of employees, and civilian contractors, working on this project for years.
"Okay, we'll let everyone in on it. Even the janitor. No weak links!"
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHAdditionally, although they claim to have the camera pressed up against the window
[b]What fake images? I have never seen any evidence at all that any 'fake' images exist.
I don't know what to tell you, really.
I can tell you I have seen a lot.
Are we any closer now that we have that out of the way?
I have however seen lots and lots of genuine ones.
How would you know, exactly?
YOU must first prove thus such image ...[text shortened]... project for years.
"Okay, we'll let everyone in on it. Even the janitor. No weak links!"[/b]
no they didnt. they say 'we only have one window with a view of the earth and its filled up with the tv camera'.
which of the other manned apollo missions do you think were fake?
Originally posted by stellspalfieI don't believe man has landed on the moon, so any of the missions which claim to have successfully landed a man on the moon.
[b]Additionally, although they claim to have the camera pressed up against the window
no they didnt. they say 'we only have one window with a view of the earth and its filled up with the tv camera'.
which of the other manned apollo missions do you think were fake?[/b]
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHso you accept that man has orbited the moon, but not landed?
I don't believe man has landed on the moon, so any of the missions which claim to have successfully landed a man on the moon.
do you think the recent images taken of tranquillity base by nasa's l.r.o. are also fake?
who put the retroreflectors on the moon?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI'm with you brother. The world is flat, Goofy isn't a dog and JFK was an extraterrestrial.
I don't believe man has landed on the moon, so any of the missions which claim to have successfully landed a man on the moon.
And anyway, the moon is made of cheese and so obviously would have been fondued by the rocket launchers.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHBut if the Chinese lands a man on the moon in a few years, you will believe that?
I don't believe man has landed on the moon, so any of the missions which claim to have successfully landed a man on the moon.
Tell me, please answer this one: Why didn't the Russians and the Chinese denounce the landings?
That would be because they knew they were not faked.
If they suspected fakery they would have been the first to throw their hats in the ring and yell to high heaven.
It is only jokers trying to make money on the so-called fake landings. They do pretty well all in all.
I was there at Goddard Space Flight Center, working Apollo timing and tracking and the telemetry showed us clearly where they were.
I also held a moon rock in my hand and I can say it was a very alien looking rock, like nothing I ever saw on Earth.
How old were you in '69?
Originally posted by sonhouseBut if the Chinese lands a man on the moon in a few years, you will believe that?
But if the Chinese lands a man on the moon in a few years, you will believe that?
Tell me, please answer this one: Why didn't the Russians and the Chinese denounce the landings?
That would be because they knew they were not faked.
If they suspected fakery they would have been the first to throw their hats in the ring and yell to high heaven.
...[text shortened]... it was a very alien looking rock, like nothing I ever saw on Earth.
How old were you in '69?
Depends on what is presented, obviously.
Tell me, please answer this one: Why didn't the Russians and the Chinese denounce the landings?
I couldn't tell you.
I do know the Chinese were mainly gearing toward defense and didn't really get too much into the space race until later--- and didn't get very far into it.
I was there at Goddard Space Flight Center, working Apollo timing and tracking and the telemetry showed us clearly where they were.
Well, where something was, to be sure.
I also held a moon rock in my hand and I can say it was a very alien looking rock, like nothing I ever saw on Earth.
The Dutch had something just like that.
How old were you in '69?
I was five while watching the production on television.
Not that my age has anything to do with it, right?.
Because the truth is the truth, regardless.
Now answer this question, since I've tried to answer yours.
"If the mission was as presented, why was there a need to fake ANY images whatsoever?"