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I don't know who that person is. I'll look it up.
But, Right out the shoot the Bible says that man (men and women) - all of them were made in the image of God and in the likeness of God.
From there Genesis 1:26,27 the essential equal dignity, worth, value of ALL human beings on the planet is derived.
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Now, the oldest writing in the Bible is the book of Job. Its writing predates Genesis.
In this oldest book there is Job the wealthy man saying his servants were equal to him thier master in human dignity because of God. Can you locate a earlier writing which expresses such a thought as this?
"If I have denied justice to my menservants and maidservants when they had a greviance against me, what will I do when God confronts me? What shall I answer when called to account? Did not he who made me in the womb ,ake then? Did not the same one form us both within our mthers?" (Job 31:13-15 NIV)
This is a very ancient document showing equality of dignity in human beings even uttered by one wealthy owner of servants.
I challenge you to find an older text affirming such equality of all people.
Now, you might just find one. But I think the point stands. At Abraham's time, before Mt. Sinai and the law of Moses, men recognized God had bestowed dignity on all races and all people.
@avalanchethecat saidWe do all manner of things to rats to learn about life, is there a valid evolutionary reason not to do that to people?
We're smarter than rats, but one could argue that rats are the more successful species.
@avalanchethecat saidSome have used this to make distinctions in the human race.
Of course. Homo sapiens sapiens.
@sonship saidMy slaves are equal to me.
Now, the oldest writing in the Bible is the book of Job. Its writing predates Genesis.
In this oldest book there is Job the wealthy man saying his servants were equal to him thier master in human dignity because of God. Can you locate a earlier writing which expresses such a thought as this?
[b]"If I have denied justice to my menservants and ...[text shortened]... Mt. Sinai and the law of Moses, men recognized God had bestowed dignity on all races and all people.
Nice oxymoron.
@kellyjay saidA valid evolutionary reason? I don't think so. Good moral reasons not to, but then, there are good moral reasons not to do the things to rats that we do.
We do all manner of things to rats to learn about life, is there a valid evolutionary reason not to do that to people?
@avalanchethecat saidYou suggesting evolution and morality are not related?
A valid evolutionary reason? I don't think so. Good moral reasons not to, but then, there are good moral reasons not to do the things to rats that we do.
@kellyjay saidHmm... No, they are related, insofar as one has evidently led to the other.
You suggesting evolution and morality are not related?
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My slaves are equal to me.
Nice oxymoron.
Indentured servitude usually in the ancient NE world.
Now, if you have children, you would say that in no way your children were
equal to you?
Is there worth less?
Is their human dignity less?
Is their instrinsic human worth less?
If you were an emplyer would you argue that in no way are your employees equal
to you?
The passage I quoted may not have meant they were of equal hieght, or weight, or in possession of wealth or things. The passage indicated they were of equal dignity and worthy of equal fairness (especially in rights).
@sonship saidWhat have children got to do with slaves?
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My slaves are equal to me.
Nice oxymoron.
Indentured servitude usually in the ancient NE world.
Now, if you have children, you would say that in no way your children were
equal to you?
Is there worth less?
Is their human dignity less?
Is their instrinsic human worth less?
If you were ...[text shortened]... he passage indicated they were of equal dignity and worthy of equal fairness (especially in rights).
In an employment, i.e. master/servant context which you are talking about, of course employer and employee aren't 'equal', since one employs the other.
Dignified slavery is still slavery.
@avalanchethecat saidCockroaches.
We're smarter than rats, but one could argue that rats are the more successful species.
@avalanchethecat saidYes, I heard that before but never cared for how some suggested that happen. That would be like a computer simply knowing how to handle a new device added to it without the software also being added.
Hmm... No, they are related, insofar as one has evidently led to the other.
@sonship saidThe Bible makes clear distinctions between slaves and servants. Jews could only be indentured servants; anyone else could be slaves.
Indentured servitude usually in the ancient NE world.
Now, if you have children, you would say that in no way your children were
equal to you?
Is there worth less?
Is their human dignity less?
Is their instrinsic human worth less?
If you were an emplyer would you argue that in no way are your employees equal
to you?
...[text shortened]... he passage indicated they were of equal dignity and worthy of equal fairness (especially in rights).
You and other Christians here have (wrongly) tried to claim those terms were interchangeable so you can argue slaves were treated "nicely".
@kellyjay saidI would say, if you look around at how creatures and humans in particular interact and behave towards each other, the rules and customs followed (and not followed) are much more like something haphazardly arisen and evolved than software installed by a perfect creator.
Yes, I heard that before but never cared for how some suggested that happen. That would be like a computer simply knowing how to handle a new device added to it without the software also being added.