Originally posted by Grampy BobbyNo my dear Boston Lad, the whole line has to do with the final fruit of the meditation; Bodhidharma suggests it 's meaningless either to use the mind in order to search for the reality, or to use the reality in order to search for the mind because the mind neither gives birth to the reality nor the reality gives birth to the mind. So, due to the fact that the meditator keeps both her/ his mind and the reality in calm, s/he is constantly at samadhi (samadhi is the final end of the meditation -it is simply the mind in full calm)
"When the reality depends on you, everything is real;"
bb, does this line suggest that volition matters?
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Originally posted by black beetle"No my dear Boston Lad, the whole line has to do with the final fruit of the meditation; Bodhidharma suggests it 's meaningless either to use the mind in order to search for the reality, or to use the reality in order to search for the mind because the mind neither gives birth to the reality nor the reality gives birth to the mind."
No my dear Boston Lad, the whole line has to do with the final fruit of the meditation; Bodhidharma suggests it 's meaningless either to use the mind in order to search for the reality, or to use the reality in order to search for the mind because the mind neither gives birth to the reality nor the reality gives birth to the mind. So, due to the fact th ...[text shortened]... at samadhi (samadhi is the final end of the meditation -it is simply the mind in full calm)
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Would my long time friend from afar consider the possibility that this well presented somewhat intricate and passive format of deliberative meditation serves to subtlety yet soundly reject other definitive options by degrees of denial? -Bob
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThe case is simply that Bodhidharma offers the lines and immediately explains them exactly the way I presented. As far as I know, this final end of meditation is not refuted neither from the Shaolin circle or from any other Zen school, nor from any other Mahayana and Vajrayana system, nor from the Elder Brothers
"No my dear Boston Lad, the whole line has to do with the final fruit of the meditation; Bodhidharma suggests it 's meaningless either to use the mind in order to search for the reality, or to use the reality in order to search for the mind because the mind neither gives birth to the reality nor the reality gives birth to the mind."
Would my long tim ...[text shortened]... tation serves to subtlety yet soundly reject other definitive options by degrees of denial? -Bob
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Zen master in da house, you may ask me anything me sons!
The role of meditation my friends is to draw upon the subconscious mind, those experiences which are deeply buried there, to draw them up as water from a deep well, to ruminate upon them, reflect and to attempt some kind of solution, for it has been erroneously stated by one of the lecturer/sages at the school of art, Glasgow, that there are no correct answers, only correct questions, which is nonsensical, for if there are no correct answers then why search for solutions? Indeed the rule of meditation is to enter into the 'spirit of the ancients', not to imitate them, but to forge new truths, even as a musician takes the well defined principles of harmony and counterpoint and forges new melodies from the depths of his psyche which lift the spirit and animate our worlds.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYour opening can aspire to greater ambitions😵
Zen master in da house, you may ask me anything me sons!
The role of meditation my friends is to draw upon the subconscious mind, those experiences which are deeply buried there, to draw them up as water from a deep well, to ruminate upon them, reflect and to attempt some kind of solution, for it has been erroneously stated by one of the lecturer/ ...[text shortened]... forges new melodies from the depths of his psyche which lift the spirit and animate our worlds.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieTartan or cop outfit?
Zen master in da house, you may ask me anything me sons!
The role of meditation my friends is to draw upon the subconscious mind, those experiences which are deeply buried there, to draw them up as water from a deep well, to ruminate upon them, reflect and to attempt some kind of solution, for it has been erroneously stated by one of the lecturer/ ...[text shortened]... forges new melodies from the depths of his psyche which lift the spirit and animate our worlds.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieGood Music for meditation, funnily enough I have found Timothy Leary's techno album (made not long before his death) as being very pleasing with meditation.
it depends on whether its summer or winter 😀
anyhow, you guys gotta suck up this Zen music, its awesome,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2yk1lsi9RM
BTW , that was a very luke warm answer 😀