@dj2becker saidYou are perfectly entitled to your personal opinion "that Jesus died on the cross".
Lets use this example: imagine person A is of the opinion that Jesus died on the cross and person B is of the opinion that Jesus didn’t die on the cross. Logically speaking can both their opinions be true? Clearly not.
You are perfectly entitled to your personal opinion that Jesus was crucified and died and that he rose from the dead and later ascended to heaven in order to offer the forgiveness of sins and the opportunity for "salvation".
You are perfectly entitled to assert that these are absolute or objective truths if doing so makes you feel more certain and secure in your faith.
However, you need to come to realize that your earnest assertions do not make your personal opinions any more credible or persuasive.
I suggest you save your 'person A/person B, both cannot be right' riff for questions like 'What is the temperature outside the house?' or 'Does the Bible depict Jesus as being crucified by the Romans?'
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-Removed-If truth is merely relative both opinions could be true for each person. But I think we both realize that is not logically possible.
The fact of the matter remains that either Jesus died on the cross or he didn’t die on the cross. It’s not logically possible for both of those options to be true. Can we at least agree on that?
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-Removed-All I’m trying to say is that belief does not change reality. Reality is what it is. Reality is that Jesus either died or that he didn’t die on the cross. What we believe about the matter doesn’t change what actually happened in reality. We need to examine the evidence and make up our own minds.
@dj2becker saidPeople making up their own minds about supernatural things does not generate absolute truths.
What we believe about the matter doesn’t change what actually happened in reality. We need to examine the evidence and make up our own minds.
You can speculate about supernatural things all you want, but simply declaring whatever you just so happen to believe ~ as a result of speculating about religious doctrine and folklore ~ no matter how certain you are, and having made up your own mind ~ is all squarely in the realm of subjectivity.
And so, naturally, people perceive things differently and don't agree about what is supposedly "the truth".
As you say, people make up their own minds.
If what you believe "matters" to you, while you believe that what "matters" to others doesn't "matter" to you ~ or to them ~ so be it.
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@fmf saidI never said making up your mind generates an absolute truth. Absolute truth exists whether we believe in it or not. If it were true that Jesus died on the cross no ones belief about the matter is going to change this truth. The same applies if it were true that Jesus did not die on the cross. The only thing we can do is examine the evidence but our belief does not change the reality of what happened. If you were to believe that Jesus did not die on the cross that would obviously make it true for you but obviously if it were in fact true that Jesus did die on the cross you would still be believing a lie even though from your perspective it would be 'true' that you believe Jesus didn't die on the cross.
People making up their own minds about supernatural things does not generate absolute truths.
You can speculate about supernatural things all you want, but simply declaring whatever you just so happen to believe ~ as a result of speculating about religious doctrine and folklore ~ no matter how certain you are, and having made up your own mind ~ is all squarely in the realm of ...[text shortened]... ou, while you believe that what "matters" to others doesn't "matter" to you ~ or to them ~ so be it.
@dj2becker saidWhat's this with you posting using an account called mariekeXIV?
I never said making up your mind generates an absolute truth. Absolute truth exists whether we believe in it or not. If it were true that Jesus died on the cross no ones belief about the matter is going to change this truth. The same applies if it were true that Jesus did not die on the cross. The only thing we can do is examine the evidence but our belief does not change t ...[text shortened]... even though from your perspective it would be 'true' that you believe Jesus didn't die on the cross.
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