07 Apr '07 23:10>
Kirk,
Weary from recent arguing (and arguing from different viewpoints, at that), I would like to invite you to be teacher for a bit. I just want to be student, and maybe a few others will as well.
I was reflecting on your “relational faith” and considering some of the things you’ve written lately that made me think of yours as also more a “theology of possibilities,” than one of doctrines. I wonder if you would be willing to expound and expand a bit... If you are, I will depart from the other threads and focus solely on this one for awhile.
I have excerpted from some recent posts of yours, so you can see what I’m responding to. Of course, you can choose your own Biblical texts. (You can also decline, if you wish.)
I’m going to take Easter Sunday as a break from here, and come back next week.
PS: This is not a joke request; I’m serious. Thanks.
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From “Text and Tradition”
My particular brand of faith tends to be more relation in its orientation. The "word" finds its meaning in experiences that I have. It goes in that direction more than it goes in the direction of my experiences finding meaning in the "word."
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I learned not to be a biblical literalist from those that espouse it. Because I grew up with a lot of pain, I learned that relationships were the only thing that mattered. I typically found those in therapy. That was just a living "word made flesh" experience.
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From “God Fails at Salvation?”
For me it is impossible to get around this question without some discussion of the meaning of "Good" Friday. There is no way to get around the fact that Good Friday was failure. I know some will say that "hey, there is Easter right around the corner and death was defeated once and for all." There is still the problem of Jesus dying on the cross.
The answer to your question is a theological one. The cross stands as God participating in our failures, and when I say that I mean suffering in our failures. Let me give an example. I heard the most unusual Good Friday sermon last night. It was on the pain of Mary at the foot of the cross and what it meant for a woman to lose a son, lose a future, lose her care in the future, and all the feeling that may have come her way. This female priest talked about her own divorce in the past 3 months and what this has meant to her in terms of having a 5 year old kid. She cried throughout most of the sermon.
I think failure is best understood in the context of relationships. It is there that the healing takes place. The failure of the cross is no doubt a failure, but at least for this particular priest it became a point of relationship beyond just reading about an account of failure.
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The Prodigal Son
Let's suppose that this "journey" he takes is a necessary part of his spiritual growth. Has he gained something by leaving home? Yes, I think so. Has the other brother lost something by staying home and being the complaint dutiful son. I believe so. Clearly his reaction at the joy and celebration is one of entitlement.
What if this coming to himself is the "god-image" within himself that he connects with? I think we tend to look down on this son for leaving home and perhaps that is natural as he "wants his share of the inheritance." There was the possibility of his doing something good with it besides squandering it. His journey may not be that different from Jesus' venture into the wilderness. Both had experiences of temptation and "coming to themselves."
Weary from recent arguing (and arguing from different viewpoints, at that), I would like to invite you to be teacher for a bit. I just want to be student, and maybe a few others will as well.
I was reflecting on your “relational faith” and considering some of the things you’ve written lately that made me think of yours as also more a “theology of possibilities,” than one of doctrines. I wonder if you would be willing to expound and expand a bit... If you are, I will depart from the other threads and focus solely on this one for awhile.
I have excerpted from some recent posts of yours, so you can see what I’m responding to. Of course, you can choose your own Biblical texts. (You can also decline, if you wish.)
I’m going to take Easter Sunday as a break from here, and come back next week.
PS: This is not a joke request; I’m serious. Thanks.
______________________________
From “Text and Tradition”
My particular brand of faith tends to be more relation in its orientation. The "word" finds its meaning in experiences that I have. It goes in that direction more than it goes in the direction of my experiences finding meaning in the "word."
...
I learned not to be a biblical literalist from those that espouse it. Because I grew up with a lot of pain, I learned that relationships were the only thing that mattered. I typically found those in therapy. That was just a living "word made flesh" experience.
_________________________
From “God Fails at Salvation?”
For me it is impossible to get around this question without some discussion of the meaning of "Good" Friday. There is no way to get around the fact that Good Friday was failure. I know some will say that "hey, there is Easter right around the corner and death was defeated once and for all." There is still the problem of Jesus dying on the cross.
The answer to your question is a theological one. The cross stands as God participating in our failures, and when I say that I mean suffering in our failures. Let me give an example. I heard the most unusual Good Friday sermon last night. It was on the pain of Mary at the foot of the cross and what it meant for a woman to lose a son, lose a future, lose her care in the future, and all the feeling that may have come her way. This female priest talked about her own divorce in the past 3 months and what this has meant to her in terms of having a 5 year old kid. She cried throughout most of the sermon.
I think failure is best understood in the context of relationships. It is there that the healing takes place. The failure of the cross is no doubt a failure, but at least for this particular priest it became a point of relationship beyond just reading about an account of failure.
_______________________
The Prodigal Son
Let's suppose that this "journey" he takes is a necessary part of his spiritual growth. Has he gained something by leaving home? Yes, I think so. Has the other brother lost something by staying home and being the complaint dutiful son. I believe so. Clearly his reaction at the joy and celebration is one of entitlement.
What if this coming to himself is the "god-image" within himself that he connects with? I think we tend to look down on this son for leaving home and perhaps that is natural as he "wants his share of the inheritance." There was the possibility of his doing something good with it besides squandering it. His journey may not be that different from Jesus' venture into the wilderness. Both had experiences of temptation and "coming to themselves."