Calling out Josephw.....and others

Originally posted by no1marauder
Fred Phelps was right and God ain't messing around anymore; even playing a homosexual in a movie gets you the Matthew Shepard treatment.

Reverend, is OT Monster God guilty of hate crimes?

Usually we think of hte crimes as singling out a certain group, like blacks, Jews, gays, etc. But the OT Monstor God seems to single out everybody but the righteous Jews. You're the lawyer. How would that stand up in court?

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
I'm sure that's a lot of consolation for the children who had to suffer through a slow and painful death thanks to god's benevolence.

We all suffer when children go through long painful deaths God
included.
Kelly

Originally posted by kirksey957
Usually we think of hte crimes as singling out a certain group, like blacks, Jews, gays, etc. But the OT Monstor God seems to single out everybody but the righteous Jews. You're the lawyer. How would that stand up in court?

OT God and the NT God are one and the same.
Kelly

Originally posted by kirksey957
Shirley Phelps of God Hates Fags seems to think so. They plan on picketing his funeral. Kind of like you do to all my posts.

I think you spend too much time listening to Howard Stern.

Shirley Phelps and Daniel Carver are evil.

Originally posted by KellyJay
We all suffer when children go through long painful deaths God
included.
Kelly

Did god tell you that he suffers when he kills children?

I wish he'd end his own suffering, it really is his ability to. He must be a masochist.

Originally posted by Red Night
I think you spend too much time listening to Howard Stern.

Shirley Phelps and Daniel Carver are evil.

In your opinion, how much time is too much time listening to Howard Stern?

Originally posted by kirksey957
Usually we think of hte crimes as singling out a certain group, like blacks, Jews, gays, etc. But the OT Monstor God seems to single out everybody but the righteous Jews. You're the lawyer. How would that stand up in court?

I don't think a "I hate almost every group, not just blacks, Jews, gays" would be a successful defense to a hate crime charge.

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
Did god tell you that he suffers when he kills children?

I wish he'd end his own suffering, it really is his ability to. He must be a masochist.

The pain and suffering we brought upon ourselves, by design it did
not have to happen. If making children suffer is such a crime in your
eye, people do that to their own all the time, and some with the
intent of getting some preverted thrill out of see them suffer. God
for His reasons will deal with the suffering of children and everyone
else and once He does that type of thing will not happen again.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The pain and suffering we brought upon ourselves, by design it did
not have to happen. If making children suffer is such a crime in your
eye, people do that to their own all the time, and some with the
intent of getting some preverted thrill out of see them suffer. God
for His reasons will deal with the suffering of children and everyone
else and once He does that type of thing will not happen again.
Kelly

You are right. People hurt their children all the time and they deserve some of the most extreme punishment available and they have their reasons just like god. God is no better than them, in fact, he is worse because he is "all powerful" and doesn't stop the baby murder that he is committing.

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
You are right. People hurt their children all the time and they deserve some of the most extreme punishment available and they have their reasons just like god. God is no better than them, in fact, he is worse because he is "all powerful" and doesn't stop the baby murder that he is committing.

So you are of the opinon God should have never given man the
ability to do what man wills, when man wills to act?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The pain and suffering we brought upon ourselves, by design it did
not have to happen.

The children are innocent victims. Just because "we", the human race, may have brought it upon "ourselves", it doesn't make every individual responsible. Would you say that if a parent abuses a child, "they" brought it upon "themselves", and therefore if someone had the ability to intervene, they shouldn't?

If making children suffer is such a crime in your
eye, people do that to their own all the time, and some with the
intent of getting some preverted thrill out of see them suffer.

Yes, there are people out there who intentionally make children suffer. But it certainly isn't normal, and I definitely see it as one of the worst crimes I can imagine. Most people would much prefer not to make children suffer, even though they may not always be able to avoid it due to the circumstances and their own imperfection.

God for His reasons will deal with the suffering of children and everyone
else and once He does that type of thing will not happen again.

If I would stand by passively when a child is abused even though I would be able to do something about it, I don't think "I'll make sure it won't happen again" would be a good excuse.

Originally posted by KellyJay
So you are of the opinon God should have never given man the
ability to do what man wills, when man wills to act?
Kelly

No. I didn't say that.

I think a god who kills babies due to a "plan" is as ethically bankrupt as the murderer who kill their children.

God supposedly gave humans free will. I would guess he has free will too. If so, then he should use it to stop killing children.

Originally posted by KellyJay
So you are of the opinon God should have never given man the
ability to do what man wills, when man wills to act?
Kelly

God has never given man the ability to do whatever man wills. We may be able to make someone suffer, but we often aren't able to help someone who is suffering, as much as we may will it. We also can't lift something extremely heavy, even if it's what we want most in our life (for example because there's a child buried under a big rock, and lifting the rock would save the life of the child).

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
No. I didn't say that.

I think a god who kills babies due to a "plan" is as ethically bankrupt as the murderer who kill their children.

God supposedly gave humans free will. I would guess he has free will too. If so, then he should use it to stop killing children.

God gave us life, the goal; the plan was for us to have life eternally
that was changed by us, and it is us, who go out of our way to steal,
kill, rob, and cause pain and discomfort to ourselves. You blame
God, because God allows us to die in this life time when there is
something far worse to be avoided and He is saving us from that?

He is stopping all of that, when He does it, it will not be a reprieve for
evil to come again, but an end to it forever, so in the mean time He
is saving as many as will come.
Kelly

Originally posted by Nordlys
God has never given man the ability to do whatever man wills. We may be able to make someone suffer, but we often aren't able to help someone who is suffering, as much as we may will it. We also can't lift something extremely heavy, even if it's what we want most in our life (for example because there's a child buried under a big rock, and lifting the rock would save the life of the child).

You have the ability and right to act within the scope of your life not
beyond that like all things.
Kelly