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Originally posted by kirksey957You don't know your history that well.
Do you believe Jesus, like the Dutch in WW2, was a failure for his inability to defend himself by not taking up arms?
Originally posted by PinkFloydYouTube&feature=related
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Originally posted by kirksey957Esther 8:10-12 "Mordecai wrote in the name of King Xerxes, sealed the dispatches with the king's signet ring, and sent them by mounted couriers, who rode fast horses especially bred for the king.
Goddamn it, I believe in Jesus! That is my problem. I cannot find a single person to give me some congruent theology about bearing arms being a "God-given right" and the utter ineptitude of Jesus not defending himself on the way to the cross.
That was all I was asking. IS that too much to ask?
Originally posted by JonoKyleThank you for your efforts. I am hoping Visteds will offer an interpretation of this OT passage. I'm glad you pointed out the genocide issue. I am unaware of the present US government plotting a genocide in our own country, but I guess anything is possible according to some. As Ghandi said, once you put a gun in a man's hands you have changed his personality.
Esther 8:10-12 "Mordecai wrote in the name of King Xerxes, sealed the dispatches with the king's signet ring, and sent them by mounted couriers, who rode fast horses especially bred for the king.
The king's edict granted the Jews in every city the right to assemble and protect themselves; to destroy, kill and annihilate any armed force of any nationality ...[text shortened]... xplained how protecting yourself at all can be justified in light of these passages.
Originally posted by kirksey957I also quite like a quote by Chairman Mao that seems hugely in line with this line of thinking:
Thank you for your efforts. I am hoping Visteds will offer an interpretation of this OT passage. I'm glad you pointed out the genocide issue. I am unaware of the present US government plotting a genocide in our own country, but I guess anything is possible according to some. As Ghandi said, once you put a gun in a man's hands you have changed his personality.
Originally posted by kirksey957Joe 3:7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:
Do you believe Jesus, like the Dutch in WW2, was a failure for his inability to defend himself by not taking up arms?
Also I noticed that there were no biblical references in that website for "the right to bear arms" being "God-given". Could you cite some? Your theology intrigues me.
Originally posted by twhiteheadYes, it does keep the government from getting too powerful. The Surpeme Court even talked about it in the D.C. gun ban hearings just this mounth in the D.C. vs. Heller case.
Does anyone actually believe that bearing arms actually stops the government from getting too powerful?
Originally posted by pritybettaYou mean the book of Joel.
Joe 3:7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:
Joe 3:8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it.
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the G ...[text shortened]... t your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Originally posted by pritybettaI'd like to know how that works. Bush has been taking away people rights, what is being done about it by the armed citizens? Do you go and shoot a politician? I'm just curious how being armed helps.
Yes, it does keep the government from getting too powerful. The Surpeme Court even talked about it in the D.C. gun ban hearings just this mounth in the D.C. vs. Heller case.