02 Nov '11 21:51>1 edit
In another thread you implied that if the God of the bible came down and gouged out the eyes of all living babies, it would absolutely be for the best. Does this follow from some more general commitment, such as the idea that anything that the God of the bible does, whatever it may even in principle be, must be for the best?
If so, I would argue that either morality becomes a purely arbitrary affair; or God cannot reasonably be a moral exemplar. Which bullet do you want to bite?
I presume your God is supposed to be a moral exemplar of some sort, right? So, then, it is consistent to that extent for you to claim that God's actual actions are characteristically noble or virtuous or good, etc. It is also consistent for you to claim that there are some things God would never do, since they represent such depraved courses of action. That seems all fair enough. (Although, of course, the bible depicts God doing things that should raise red flags here.) But I fail to see how you can -- while maintaining both God's status as a moral exemplar and morality's status as non-arbitrary -- claim something like "And even if God did do [enter whatever depraved thing you want here], it would absolutely be for the best."
For example, we can consider your claim that even if God did come down and gouge out the eyes of all living babies, it would absolutely be for the best. In this case, either God would have good reasons for his display of baby eyeball gouging; or not.
If not, then according to your view, the good becomes essentially whatever God may happen to endorse without any constraints from outside reasons, which makes morality arbitrary.
If on the other hand God has good reasons for his baby eyeball gouging (which are obviously not apparent to us and radically so, since gouging out the eyes of all living babies just seems stupid and grossly depraved and all the ostensibly good reasons we see would recommend against doing it), then your God no longer functions reasonably as a moral exemplar. How could you expect Him to function as a moral exemplar if His grasp of practical reasons differs so radically from your own? Should you go around gouging out the eyes of other sentient beings around you? Well, on your view conjoined with the idea that God is an exemplar, it is rather tough to say, isn't it? If God were placed in your situation and started going around gouging out eyeballs, it seems it would all be for the best. On the other hand, if God were placed in your situation and refrained from going around gouging out eyeballs, it seems it too would all be for the best. Plus, your thinking you have good reasons one way or the other is significantly downplayed by the fact that the actual reasons one should be responsive toward (those that would be under God's attention) can differ so radically from the ones you naturally gravitate toward. Maybe if God educated us better about (or made our natural intuitions more aligned with) the actual good reasons why one should go around gouging out the eyeballs of infants; or sanctioning genocide like He does in the bible; or whatever else have you; then maybe He would deserve the title of moral teacher or exemplar. But failing that....
So, either morality is arbitrary; or God is not reasonably a moral exemplar. Again, which bullet will you bite?
If so, I would argue that either morality becomes a purely arbitrary affair; or God cannot reasonably be a moral exemplar. Which bullet do you want to bite?
I presume your God is supposed to be a moral exemplar of some sort, right? So, then, it is consistent to that extent for you to claim that God's actual actions are characteristically noble or virtuous or good, etc. It is also consistent for you to claim that there are some things God would never do, since they represent such depraved courses of action. That seems all fair enough. (Although, of course, the bible depicts God doing things that should raise red flags here.) But I fail to see how you can -- while maintaining both God's status as a moral exemplar and morality's status as non-arbitrary -- claim something like "And even if God did do [enter whatever depraved thing you want here], it would absolutely be for the best."
For example, we can consider your claim that even if God did come down and gouge out the eyes of all living babies, it would absolutely be for the best. In this case, either God would have good reasons for his display of baby eyeball gouging; or not.
If not, then according to your view, the good becomes essentially whatever God may happen to endorse without any constraints from outside reasons, which makes morality arbitrary.
If on the other hand God has good reasons for his baby eyeball gouging (which are obviously not apparent to us and radically so, since gouging out the eyes of all living babies just seems stupid and grossly depraved and all the ostensibly good reasons we see would recommend against doing it), then your God no longer functions reasonably as a moral exemplar. How could you expect Him to function as a moral exemplar if His grasp of practical reasons differs so radically from your own? Should you go around gouging out the eyes of other sentient beings around you? Well, on your view conjoined with the idea that God is an exemplar, it is rather tough to say, isn't it? If God were placed in your situation and started going around gouging out eyeballs, it seems it would all be for the best. On the other hand, if God were placed in your situation and refrained from going around gouging out eyeballs, it seems it too would all be for the best. Plus, your thinking you have good reasons one way or the other is significantly downplayed by the fact that the actual reasons one should be responsive toward (those that would be under God's attention) can differ so radically from the ones you naturally gravitate toward. Maybe if God educated us better about (or made our natural intuitions more aligned with) the actual good reasons why one should go around gouging out the eyeballs of infants; or sanctioning genocide like He does in the bible; or whatever else have you; then maybe He would deserve the title of moral teacher or exemplar. But failing that....
So, either morality is arbitrary; or God is not reasonably a moral exemplar. Again, which bullet will you bite?