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    Tell us who and what you are. If you will.
    Are you a Christian?
    What is the message you wish us to know?
    Tell us what it is you believe.
    What do you want us to know?
    Tell us what the truth is.
    Tell us what we are to do.

    And most importantly, tell us HOW to do it!
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    27 Jun '08 22:55
    Originally posted by josephw
    Tell us who and what you are. If you will.
    Are you a Christian?
    What is the message you wish us to know?
    Tell us what it is you believe.
    What do you want us to know?
    Tell us what the truth is.
    Tell us what we are to do.

    And most importantly, tell us HOW to do it!
    The whole purpose of the life of a Christian is to get salvation.
    Christ was crystal clear about who gets salvation.
    Read it in Matt 25.
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    27 Jun '08 23:02
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    The whole purpose of the life of a Christian is to get salvation.
    Christ was crystal clear about who gets salvation.
    Read it in Matt 25.
    How would you discribe how someone 'gets salvation'?
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    27 Jun '08 23:07
    Originally posted by pritybetta
    How would you discribe how someone 'gets salvation'?
    Nobody has gotton salvation yet... only on judgement day will we know who gets or not. So I cant do any discribing.
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    27 Jun '08 23:12
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Nobody has gotton salvation yet... only on judgement day will we know who gets or not. So I cant do any discribing.
    Okay, let me put it this way. How does one become born-again?
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    27 Jun '08 23:17
    Originally posted by pritybetta
    Okay, let me put it this way. How does one become born-again?
    I dont know that term 'born-again', it does not exist in the Bible.
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    27 Jun '08 23:21
    Originally posted by pritybetta
    Okay, let me put it this way. How does one become born-again?
    According to Jesus, it's by following the will of God, i.e., overcoming the "desires of the self" (sin).
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    27 Jun '08 23:26
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I dont know that term 'born-again', it does not exist in the Bible.
    It doesn't exist in the Bible? Then how do you explain these verses?

    Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

    1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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    27 Jun '08 23:271 edit
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    According to Jesus, it's by following the will of God, i.e., overcoming the "desires of the self" (sin).
    And how do we do that? The Bible says no one seeks after the Lord. We are unable to in or natural state.

    1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
    Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
    Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

    So if no one seeks and no one can then how do we become born again?
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    27 Jun '08 23:30
    Originally posted by pritybetta
    And how do we do that?
    Mark 12:30-31
    "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
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    27 Jun '08 23:31
    Originally posted by pritybetta
    It doesn't exist in the Bible? Then how do you explain these verses?

    Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

    1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
    'born-again' and 'born again' are not the same.

    Christ said you must be born again, meaning baptism and belief in the gospel and the return of Christ to judge.

    I dont know what people mean by 'born-again', neither 'personal saviour'.
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    27 Jun '08 23:32
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Mark 12:30-31
    "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
    Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
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    27 Jun '08 23:35
    Originally posted by pritybetta
    Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
    Are you trying to counter the words of Jesus with the Old Testament?
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    27 Jun '08 23:38
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Are you trying to counter the words of Jesus with the Old Testament?
    Apparently Christ did not read the OT. I guess thats why He made so many statements in error... 🙂
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    28 Jun '08 00:371 edit
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Are you trying to counter the words of Jesus with the Old Testament?
    No, not counter them but harmonizing them. The OT is also the Word of God.
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