Originally posted by robbie carrobie
again this is you attempting to imply what is not explicitly stated in scripture because lets face it, that's the nature of the trinity. Jesus doesn't say that both were true, what he in fact says that only God is good, you simply made the rest up.
No you made up stuff.
Jesus testifies that He is God.
Jesus also testifies that He is a man.
For example:
1.) He testifies that He is God -
John 8:57,58 -
"The Jews then said to Him, You are not yet fifty years old and have You seen Abraham?
Jesus said to them, Truly, truly I say to you, Before Abraham came into being I am.
So they picked up stones to throw at Him ..."
Jesus here did not simply say "Before Abraham came into being I WAS". He said
"Before Abraham came into being I AM" identifying Himself with God Himself who spoke to Moses in
Exodus 3.
" Then Moses said to God, If I come to the children of Israel and say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they say to me, What is His name" what shall I say to them?
And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM. And He said. Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you." (Exodus 3:13,14)
The man Jesus of Nazareth said
"Before Abraham came into being I AM" testifying that He was the God of Exodus, the God of the fathers - Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was and is the ever existing, self existing God.
2.) And of course His most used title which He spoke of Himself was
"the Son of Man". So He testified to being both God and man. And it is therefore no wonder that John in his prologue states that the Word was God and that the Word became flesh.
The Trinity is about God making a journey into man. You don't believe the Trinity because you do not believe in the process God went through to branch out and into man to fulfill His plan to unite with man.
A limited illustration could be used to observe that water may be solid ice, or liquid, or vapor. These are three aspects of the same thing. This is a limited allegory. It is not perfect. But it is useful.
The vapor steam is the final stage of the water which can enter most easily into us by our inhaling. The Holy Spirit is the consummation of the Triune God in God's desire to dispense Himself into man. The Father is the source. The Son is the expression. And the Holy Spirit is the consummation, the ultimate "reaching" of the Father embodied in the Son transmitted into the believers.
"The last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45) is the Triune God in consummation as the Father coming in the Son being dispensed as the life giving Holy Spirit imparting God as divine and eternal life into man.
But for the immediate purposes of this post, some are able to see that Jesus testified being the eternal ever existing and self existing
I AM, the God of the Old Testament. And He also called Himself
"the Son of Man" .
ie. -
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up." (John 3:14)
ie -
"Jesus therefore said to them, When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am, and that I do nothing from Myself, but as My Father has taught Me, I speak these things." (John 8:28)