16 Feb 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo dummy! He's talking about Calvin the pant maker! 😉
Calvin? As in John Calvin the murderer of innocent Michael Servetus?
How do you know Servetus was innocent?
By the way, from the way I hear it, Jesus was innocent and died because we are guilty of nailing Him to the cross!
Oh, that's right, you don't believe they used nails. Or do you? Or was that a post, or something like that? 🙄
16 Feb 15
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Originally posted by josephwInnocent of what Joseph? you don't seem to even know the crime and here you are pontificating to others about what they allegedly don't know.
No dummy! He's talking about Calvin the pant maker! 😉
How do you know Servetus was innocent?
By the way, from the way I hear it, Jesus was innocent and died because we are guilty of nailing Him to the cross!
Oh, that's right, you don't believe they used nails. Or do you? Or was that a post, or something like that? 🙄
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16 Feb 15
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Originally posted by josephwThis "Calvin the villian" thing, I heard, is all about some heretic teacher being executed (or at least one with whom John Calvin disagreed) and Calvin arguing that he should not be killed in one manner but in some other seemingly more merciful manner.
No dummy! He's talking about Calvin the pant maker! 😉
How do you know Servetus was innocent?
By the way, from the way I hear it, Jesus was innocent and died because we are guilty of nailing Him to the cross!
Oh, that's right, you don't believe they used nails. Or do you? Or was that a post, or something like that? 🙄
It appears to me at first glance, as some involvement in an execution by omission, as if he could have maybe stopped it or could have lessened the penalty. It seems more of a matter of Calvin stepping aside and not mercifully intervening.
Robbie sure loves the matter.
16 Feb 15
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Originally posted by sonshipIts not about some heretic teachers execution, its about Calvin the murderer burning a man to death for printing a tract that he disagreed with. The mans name was Micheal Servetus and the tract was the errors of the trinity. Far from Jaywills dishonest attempt to distance Calvin the murderer from his crime, the facts detail that Calvin noy only sought the death sentence but stated that even pre trial he was judge and executioner of Micheal Servetus.
This "Calvin the villian" thing, I heard, is all about some heretic teacher being executed (or at least one with whom John Calvin disagreed) and Calvin arguing that he should not be killed in one manner but in some other seemingly more merciful manner.
It appears to me at first glance, as some involvement in an execution by omission, as if he could hav ...[text shortened]... tter of Calvin stepping aside and not mercifully intervening.
Robbie sure loves the matter.
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/michael-servetus.htm
Perhaps you would like to demonstrate from scripture where Calvin has the authority to burn a man to death. If you cannot that makes him a murderer.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI don't know much about it. The name Servetus is the name of the man I had in mind.
Its not about some heretic teachers execution, its about Calvin the murderer burning a man to death for printing a tract that he disagreed with. The mans name was Micheal Servetus and the tract was the errors of the trinity. Far from Jaywills dishonest attempt to distance Calvin the murderer from his crime, the facts detail that Calvin noy only sou ...[text shortened]... where Calvin has the authority to burn a man to death. If you cannot that makes him a murderer.
I will educate myself on the matter as I am not intentionally misrepresenting anything as far as I know.
But if Calvin committed a crime or a sin than Calvin committed a crime or a sin. Since I don't worship Calvin as a sinless man I don't know why you think I must vindicate him as innocent if he was not.
Abraham sinned.
Issac sinned.
Jacob sinned.
David sinned.
Even Robbie Carrobie committed sins.
If he truly murdered (as David did) then that's between him and God.
If I do not vindicate John Calvin's innocence in that affair, it means WHAT ??
17 Feb 15
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Originally posted by sonshipSounds good to me she'd have more knowledge than Robbie of the situation.
Robbie do you consider this a fair review of what happened ?
Dr. Karin Maag on Bolsec and Servetus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP7Zcrj6CfI
For backup, another talk on Servetus -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baKXD7HblG0
At the end of the second video of the woman talking you could say the same thing about the Crusades.
17 Feb 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieFrom what I read about Servetus, Calvin tried to give him a faster death by beheading, not the torture of burning alive but was turned down. He still wanted him dead for daring to go against religious dogma.
Its not about some heretic teachers execution, its about Calvin the murderer burning a man to death for printing a tract that he disagreed with. The mans name was Micheal Servetus and the tract was the errors of the trinity. Far from Jaywills dishonest attempt to distance Calvin the murderer from his crime, the facts detail that Calvin noy only sou ...[text shortened]... where Calvin has the authority to burn a man to death. If you cannot that makes him a murderer.
17 Feb 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieJohn Calvin - French: Jean Calvin; born Jehan Cauvin: 10 July 1509 – 27 May 1564) was an influential French theologian and pastor during the Protestant Reformation.
Calvin? As in John Calvin the murderer of innocent Michael Servetus?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin