Can a Christian be AntiChrist?

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The problem here is that you are deliberately trying to focus on the non-issue of whether or not a 'fake' Christian can be antichrist.

The issue is that John is saying that those who does not bring the doctrine of Christ [ie of brotherly love etc etc], they are antichrist.

Do you have a comment on that?

In a previous post I said that many Christians speak in a derogatory manner of the teachings of Christ... YOU INCLUDED.

What say you?

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Flaming ? Whats that? Is that like in the Lake of Fire?

Your desire not to respond is perfectly understandable. Its not what I say. Its John who says that anyone who does not bring the doctrine of Christ are deceivers.

If you have in the past used any of these:

- works righteousness
- law keeping when referring to Christ's commandments
- self-righteousness
- hypocritical
- trying to earn ones salvation
- insulting to Christ death and resurrection.

then you are guilty.

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Well its Johns self-certified opinion that you are a deceiver and antichrist. His opinions are from good sources unlike yours.

I would be shaking in my boots if I were you and hoping those everlasting torment believers are wrong.

Originally posted by Rajk999
It seems that John is saying that it is indeed likely.

[i]For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist... He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not int ...[text shortened]... lieve it or teach it, then chances are that Christ may consider you a deceiver or an antichrist.

Just so I know, because we have debated this point on more than one time.
You now agree with me that not everyone who claims to be a Christian is?
You used to get on me about that one.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Just so I know, because we have debated this point on more than one time.
You now agree with me that not everyone who claims to be a Christian is?
You used to get on me about that one.
Kelly

I never distinguish between true Christians and other Christians as you do. I use the standard English definition of a Christian which is someone who claims that he is such.

So there are 45,000 Christians lets say where I live. I dont make any attempt to identify who are real or true. That is Christ's job.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I never distinguish between true Christians and other Christians as you do. I use the standard English definition of a Christian which is someone who claims that he is such.

So there are 45,000 Christians lets say where I live. I dont make any attempt to identify who are real or true. That is Christ's job.

I never once said you had to identify them, even though you seem to want
to by this thread. If you acknowledge that someone can make the claim,
and yet refuse Christ's leadership, I'm not sure why you'd apply the word
Christian to those that refuse Christ's Lordship, after all they do not belong
to Him.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I never once said you had to identify them, even though you seem to want
to by this thread. If you acknowledge that someone can make the claim,
and yet refuse Christ's leadership, I'm not sure why you'd apply the word
Christian to those that refuse Christ's Lordship, after all they do not belong
to Him.
Kelly

Well I dont know who refuse Christ Lordship and who do not. I would only know who claim to be Christian.

Now the reason for this thread is that John appears to be saying that the deceiver or antichrist are not only those who deny that Christ came in the flesh, but also those who DENY THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST.

To me the second offence is worse than the first.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Well I dont know who refuse Christ Lordship and who do not. I would only know who claim to be Christian.

Now the reason for this thread is that John appears to be saying that the deceiver or antichrist are not only those who deny that Christ came in the flesh, but also those who DENY THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST.

To me the second offence is worse than the first.

John did not lump them with believers as you do when you continue to
apply the name Christian to them.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I never once said you had to identify them, even though you seem to want
to by this thread. If you acknowledge that someone can make the claim,
and yet refuse Christ's leadership, I'm not sure why you'd apply the word
Christian to those that refuse Christ's Lordship, after all they do not belong
to Him.
Kelly

I apply the word Christian the way the general public applies the word Christian. I do that to facilitate communication. So people know what Im talking about. I dont make up my definitions.

Of course there are people who Christ will not accept but I dont know.

In this thread John is making a statement about those who bring the doctrine of CHrist and who do not.

I notice that you refuse to comment on that topic.