21 Jan 06
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYeah, but those really work Bosse! What a cynic! I was 647 kilos before I went to sleep, and now I weigh 4.7 grams. 😀
You're not a good enough capitalist. The whole trick is to sell things that don't exist, like those amazing cans of power that make you lose weight overnight so you can finally squeeze out of your trailer home and party with the thin, glamorous people.
21 Jan 06
Originally posted by eagles54"because a self-professed Christian proclaimed a certain poster's soul "worthless." "
I do not know what a soul is, therefore I cannot define it for you, Mr. Gee.
I asked the question because a self-professed Christian proclaimed a certain poster's soul "worthless." I was hoping to get a reasoned response from persons that do indeed hold that souls are existent, primarily because I thought it an interesting debate.
There is nothing in ...[text shortened]... nging entity.
If you wish to take to task anything I have stated here, please be my guest.
Isn't it so ironic that this self same person believes that god gave them that soul! Something may be of little worth to me, but of great worth to someone else. I don't think that (if souls do exist, and I do not believe that they do) it is our 'christian's' right to decide whether another humans soul is worth something or not. God saw fit to create that soul and inbue it into that body. That should be enough for our christian friend.
21 Jan 06
Originally posted by RaindearSo basically the whole concept of the soul is an ego stroking thing so that humans can remind themselves of how superior they are to the rest of the world? Excellent, just what I always thought.
Much of the western philosophical tradition defined the soul as the animating principle of the body - what makes it a living thing. Thus, animals and plants were considered to have a soul, as well as men. However, that tradition also held that a human soul endures after death, because it does not depend on the body the way an animal's soul does. Why? Be ...[text shortened]... hless. That is the whole tragedy of a wicked person. Their soul is worthy of greater things.
21 Jan 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzEvery snowflake is different too, and none of them have "souls". Likewise, despite the designers best efforts everyy nuclear explosion is fractionally different. The things that unite people are far more numerous than the differences, just like souless nuclear bombs.
"Not meaning any disrespect but how do you personally know you
have a soul
Well, don’t expect any proof, but our individual personalities are a pretty good indication. Everybody has unique character traits."
Every snowflake is different too, and none of them have "souls". Likewise, despite the designers best efforts everyy nuclear explosion ...[text shortened]... (during the carboniferous CO2 was about 1/2 its current partial pressure in the atmosphere)).
Yes but those are inanimate objects. I was referring to the uniqueness of conscious beings. Every human and intelligent animal has a unique personality.
21 Jan 06
Originally posted by The Chess ExpressWhy is a animate object any more unique than an innanimate object? Surely everything is ultimately unique. Uniqueness cannot, therefore, be used as criteria for claiming a 'soul', at least not without further specifications added.
[b]Every snowflake is different too, and none of them have "souls". Likewise, despite the designers best efforts everyy nuclear explosion is fractionally different. The things that unite people are far more numerous than the differences, just like souless nuclear bombs.
Yes but those are inanimate objects. I was referring to the uniqueness of conscious beings. Every human and intelligent animal has a unique personality.[/b]
21 Jan 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzWhy is a animate object any more unique than an innanimate object?
Why is a animate object any more unique than an innanimate object? Surely everything is ultimately unique. Uniqueness cannot, therefore, be used as criteria for claiming a 'soul', at least not without further specifications added.
Because of consciousness.
21 Jan 06
Originally posted by eagles54I say, a soul can only be worthless if it chooses to be so.
Prompted by a poster by that described another's soul as "worthless," I ask you, the impartial and wise assembled here, can a soul in fact be worthless?
Or, is it possible that a soul may have immutable attributes that make it divine, unalterable by corruption of any sort?
21 Jan 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzThat's precisely what struck me, the fact that this so-called Christian could label another's soul as worthless. Although I do not believe that a soul exists as an unchanging, eternal entity, I do believe that at the heart of what makes us human, regardless of how depraved an individual may appear, is an essence that can not be sullied in any way by the thoughts and actions of that individual.
Isn't it so ironic that this self same person believes that god gave them that soul! Something may be of little worth to me, but of great worth to someone else. I don't think that (if souls do exist, and I do not believe that they do) it is our 'christian's' right to decide whether another humans soul is worth something or not. God saw fit to create that soul and inbue it into that body. That should be enough for our christian friend.
I think it's much like a diamond that's been dropped in a manure pile; no matter the filth encrusted upon it, the worth of the diamond is unchanged. That is why I feel that to call someone's soul worthless is a mistake in understanding our human potential for cultivating endless compassion and wisdom.
There are many, many people in this world who are dangerous, destructive, murderous, callous. I still believe that they possess something buried under all the mess that is of immense worth. Unfortunately, their minds are poisoned by habit energies that are not easily overturned.
22 Jan 06
Originally posted by eagles54Given that you have admitted you do not know what a soul is, your question should have been;
Obviously, you failed to read my reply to your question earlier in this thread which is
"I asked the question because a self-professed Christian proclaimed a certain poster's soul "worthless." I was hoping to get a reasoned response from persons that do indeed hold that souls are existent, primarily because I thought it an interesting debate."
Need ...[text shortened]... you have nothing constructive to say of your own.
And on your last point, bully for you!
"What is a soul?"
My point is why ask a different question, about something you have no comprehension of?
Now grow up, and grow a brain.
22 Jan 06
Originally posted by The Chess ExpressA flatworm is animate, yet not conscious. Animation or lack, has nothing to do with it. Come on CE, normally your arguments are better thought out than this.
[b]Why is a animate object any more unique than an innanimate object?
Because of consciousness.[/b]
22 Jan 06
Originally posted by ChessJesterSo, if I knock you out your soul stops existing? Your consciousness certainly doesn't exist for the period of time you are unconscious.
The soul is your conciousness! They are synonymous.
To deny the existance of your soul is to deny the existance of your conciousness!
22 Jan 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzSuppose flatworms do have a type of consciousness? Consciousness of coarse comes in many different levels. Animals have a more primitive consciousness than we do.
A flatworm is animate, yet not conscious. Animation or lack, has nothing to do with it. Come on CE, normally your arguments are better thought out than this.
22 Jan 06
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Originally posted by scottishinnzCorrection, the consciousness of a person who is unconscious doesn’t exist within the confines of their body. Here’s a link to show that our consciousness exists outside of our bodies.
So, if I knock you out your soul stops existing? Your consciousness certainly doesn't exist for the period of time you are unconscious.
http://www.bibleprobe.com/nde.htm
"For we know that when this tent we live in now is taken down... when we die and leave these bodies...we will have wonderful new bodies in Heaven, homes that will be ours for evermore, made for us by God Himself, without human hands."
II Corinthians 5:1 (Living Bible)