Can you trust science?

Originally posted by RJHinds
It should be taught in the exact same class that the theory of evolution
is taught, whatever that class happens to be.

okay. and when will the churches start teaching evolution alongside creation?

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
okay. and when will the churches start teaching evolution alongside creation?

I suppose when the theory of evolution is recognized as a religious
teaching by enough people it will be taught in church.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I suppose when the theory of evolution is recognized as a religious
teaching by enough people it will be taught in church.

by the same token, if ID is recognized as a scientific teaching by enough people, it will be taught in science classes.

good luck trying to pass a religion off as a science.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
by the same token, if ID is recognized as a scientific teaching by enough people, it will be taught in science classes.

good luck trying to pass a religion off as a science.

Time will tell.

Originally posted by RJHinds
We Christians must stand against Satan and keep Atheism from becoming
anything more than a minority religion by protecting our young people
from the false indoctrination occurring through the teaching of the theory
of evolution as fact without teaching the fact of creation to refute it.

Atheism is by definition not a religion. It is the absence of belief not the belief
of absence. And it has nothing to do with Satan.

It is not a minority position, certainly not in this country :-).

And there is actually a strong correlation between religiosity of a country and
almost all metrics on how well the country is functioning.
The more religious it is the less well it functions (or the less well it functions
the more religious it is).

Creation and ID are belief's not fact's, they have no proof.

So you protect your children from indoctrination by indoctrinating them in something
else?
How about teaching them how to think for themselves, giving them all the evidence
and letting them work it out on their own?
Is it because an alarmingly high percentage of people who are educated this way
believe in the validity of evolution, and tend towards atheism?
Does this in fact show that your position does not stand up against rational investigation
and thus has to be indoctrinated as it can't stand up against rigorous testing and
discussion?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Atheism is by definition not a religion. It is the absence of belief not the belief
of absence. And it has nothing to do with Satan.

It is not a minority position, certainly not in this country :-).

And there is actually a strong correlation between religiosity of a country and
almost all metrics on how well the country is functioning.
The more d thus has to be indoctrinated as it can't stand up against rigorous testing and
discussion?

We atheists must stand against god and keep Christianity from becoming
anything more than a minority religion by protecting our young people
from the false indoctrination occurring through the teaching of creationism
as fact while teaching evolution in a real science class without trying to mix the two together as if creationism were a fact, which it is not.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Time will tell.

indeed. science is discovering new things every year. it may even one day discover your god, but don't hold your breath.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
indeed. science is discovering new things every year. it may even one day discover your god, but don't hold your breath.

I have already discovered God so I don't need science for that and
there is no need for me to hold my breath either.

Originally posted by sonhouse
We atheists must stand against god and keep Christianity from becoming
anything more than a minority religion by protecting our young people
from the false indoctrination occurring through the teaching of creationism
as fact while teaching evolution in a real science class without trying to mix the two together as if creationism were a fact, which it is not.

Are you sure you want to stand on Satan's side against God?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Are you sure you want to stand on Satan's side against God?

You imply a binary world view.

As both god and satan are both fictional, and from my stand point if real equally evil
why can we not stand against both? (presuming one has to take a stand at all)

And yes, I am damn sure this is where I want to stand.

There is no sensible reason to suppose that your god actually exists.
But if he does your god is demonstrably evil.
I therefore stand firmly opposed to your god and any of gods henchmen (note: satan works
for god torturing souls for god in hell)

Fortunately as I say there is absolutely no evidence for gods existence, and thus no logical
reason to believe in god.

My stance is thus to treat god as I would voldermort.
If god/voldermort existed they would both be utterly evil and I would stand firmly opposed
to them.

As they are both fictional then I am utterly ambivalent to them and intend to remain so.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Atheism is by definition not a religion. It is the absence of belief not the belief
of absence. And it has nothing to do with Satan.

It is not a minority position, certainly not in this country :-).

And there is actually a strong correlation between religiosity of a country and
almost all metrics on how well the country is functioning.
The more ...[text shortened]... d thus has to be indoctrinated as it can't stand up against rigorous testing and
discussion?

Our country had functioned very well until recent times when the separation of
church and state and the freedom of religion has turned into the freedom
from religion. Our public educational system has suffered much and the
most promising students are coming from private religious based educational
systems. The higher learning schools like Harvard and Yale that were
founded by religious leaders have been stripped of their Christian heritage.
But there are those that are fighting this trend to turn or schools into a
place for atheists.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
by the same token, if ID is recognized as a scientific teaching by enough people, it will be taught in science classes.

good luck trying to pass a religion off as a science.

True spirituality is the greatest science because it encompasses the greatest subject ........God and ourselves.

Intelligent design is everywhere and in fact you cannot look anywhere and not see intelligent design.

Cheating science will say they do not recognioze intelligent design.

But random chance happenings..........Have you ever heard of anything so foolish.

Originally posted by Dasa
Intelligent design is everywhere and in fact you cannot look anywhere and not see intelligent design.

You should see my tin-opener!

Originally posted by Dasa
But random chance happenings..........Have you ever heard of anything so foolish.[/b]

yes, from you. if you ever figure out what the actual scientific theories have to say on the subjects, get back to me.