Originally posted by vistesdMore times than I care to remember, I have come to a point of realisation and then thought 'wow, now I see that I'll go back to looking at what I know of the world with that in mind' and yet I just go back to thinking of how someone else with this realisation would view the world. Forever am I caught in a kind of Uncertainty Principle, cursed to measure the world and thus change the true measurement I intend to take.
Raymond Smullyan hypothesized (in his The Tao Is Silent) that perhaps it is analogous to a hypnotic suggestion, perhaps nurtured and deepened over time by cultural conditioning. And maybe for those of us who cross religious boundaries fairly readily, even as non-theists, but nevertheless find some profound aesthetic value in various religious express ...[text shortened]... if one could use a self-hypnotic suggestion to unravel all prior suggestions or conditioning...
Originally posted by Jay JoosPerhaps you have a different definition of debate here, but winning a debate through anything other than presentation of facts, discourse over the strength and weaknesses of premises built on those facts, and conclusion in light of the above, is poor debate.
Not so...
If you want emotion, go and cry at someone until they let you win the argument.
Originally posted by StarrmanI just want a passionate,logical debate... i believe this is possible...no need to cry... as i keep saying...you can be passionate about your learning and there is most certainly structured passion...
Perhaps you have a different definition of debate here, but winning a debate through anything other than presentation of facts, discourse over the strength and weaknesses of premises built on those facts, and conclusion in light of the above, is poor debate.
If you want emotion, go and cry at someone until they let you win the argument.
i say that intelligence causes atheism out of personal experience. almost all intelligent kids in my school who are the goody-goods who make 100s and get mad when they get a 99, are atheists. they are heavy thinkers who think about these things and see no proof of God's existence. i used to be young and naive and i believed in Christianity with no question but now i am not sure.
Originally posted by Jay JoosMany theists here lack the ability to use logic in an incisive way.
I disagree with your sweeping statement regarding which camp has the lower level.... we all have opinions...no one is lower than the other...some back it up and others use their feelings.... how wonderful debate is do you agree?
Not something that the atheist community in this forum seem to have too much trouble with.
Originally posted by scottishinnzBecause none of those gods ever did anything for anybody! 😉
Then, if your poison is a "just in case" mentality, you should worship as many Gods as possible. Why stop at the Christian God? Why not also Allah, the Shinto Gods the Maori Gods, the Aboriginal Dreamtime Gods.
Originally posted by scottishinnzWhat we lack in logic, we make up for in spiritual understanding.
Many theists here lack the ability to use logic in an incisive way.
Not something that the atheist community in this forum seem to have too much trouble with.
Like knowing what response we'll get for saying something like that. 😀
Originally posted by josephwSpiritual understanding?
What we lack in logic, we make up for in spiritual understanding.
Like knowing what response we'll get for saying something like that. 😀
You mean going round and round in your own head with nonsense?
Science, at least, gave the world medicine. Religion gave us the frontal lobotomy to "let the evil spirits out", and witch burning.
