-Removed-Is there a way, do you think, of determining which have this "Medieval core value system" and which don't?
This links back to what has been my angle throughout this thread.
I am wondering whether the hand of the tiny faction in my country here who have the "Medieval core value system" has been strengthened and the hand of the majority here who can't in all seriousness be dismissed as having a "Medieval core value system" has been weakened just a bit, along with the prospects of freedom of speech putting down deeper roots in this conservative culture with its very young democracy.
-Removed-Originally posted by divegeester
"I feel deeply sorry for the those good spirited people who coincidentally have adopted the Islamic faith..."
Since when are human emotions or human good relevant to God's Plan of reconciliation? This is the result of human volition: An inaudible prayer to God the Father, expressing faith alone in Christ alone changes everything for time and eternity.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAnd yet you are one of the most emotional religionists in this community. The gap between how people see themselves and how they come across can be interesting sometimes. Someone like you chastising divegeester for his "human emotions" is a bit rich coming from a poster like you.
Since when are human emotions or human good relevant to God's Plan of reconciliation? This is the result of human volition: An inaudible prayer to God the Father, expressing faith alone in Christ alone changes everything for time and eternity.
-Removed-I am sure that this was one of the motivations behind CH's calculated insults. The similar cartoons in Denmark were apparently a calculated contribution to some inter-party politicking on the right and far right of the country's political spectrum with some, at the time, suggesting that Muslims who felt revolted by the depiction of the prophet should move away from Denmark etc. etc. Same old same old. There was also a "free speech" element in there I suppose, but the picking on the tiny minority was a dose of retail/populist politics I think.
Originally posted by FMFIf they wanted to, yeah. I am not familiar with this Piss Christ thing. Were people killed over it or something?
Would you be inclined to agree with Great King Rat ~ and I am putting words in his mouth here based on the points he has put forward on this thread, and he can jump in of course and say I am misrepresenting him on "insult" and "freedom of speech" ~ and say that the creators of Piss Christ, in response to the criticism they got, should have found something even m ...[text shortened]... this thread and not the approach to freedom of speech that you advocate, please set me straight.
Originally posted by FMFI am going to respond to the various questions you've asked me in the coming days, but just a quick question that comes to mind. Do you think satire like Life of Brian (comedic value approved by FMF, 2015, all rights reserved) has helped push the boundaries of freedom of speech further, even though at the time many Christians were outraged and deeply, deeply offended by it?
Is there a way, do you think, of determining which have this "Medieval core value system" and which don't?
This links back to what has been my angle throughout this thread.
I am wondering whether the hand of the tiny faction in my country here who have the "Medieval core value system" has been strengthened and the hand of the majority here who can't in a ...[text shortened]... of speech putting down deeper roots in this conservative culture with its very young democracy.
When does satire have that effect, you think?
Originally posted by Great King RatLife of Brian was much more effective in furthering the cause of free speech and rolling back the power or conservatism than Piss Christ. That satire can be an effective and welcome tool is not disputed, but as I said before, it's a shame I have to rally behind purveyors of such abject trash in order to demonstrate my firm support for freedom of speech.
I am going to respond to the various questions you've asked me in the coming days, but just a quick question that comes to mind. Do you think satire like Life of Brian (comedic value approved by FMF, 2015, all rights reserved) has helped push the boundaries of freedom of speech further, even though at the time many Christians were outraged and deeply, deeply offended by it?
When does satire have that effect, you think?