17 Mar 22
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@bigdogg saidWe play games to win computers only run code with set inputs to achieve outputs, calculating chess moves or adding two numbers together are just code being run.
Nonsense. If they don't, then we most certainly don't.
Also to have fun or learn we get something out of it besides playing.
17 Mar 22
@kellyjay saidThe limitation is your perspective.
We play games to win computers only run code with set inputs to achieve outputs, calculating chess moves or adding two numbers together are just code being run.
Also to have fun or learn we get something out of it besides playing.
The machine has the same definitions of 'win' as we do. They will even refuse draws in objectively equal positions. In every sense that matters, they play to win as constantly, or more, than any human.
It may turn out to be true that our much self hyped consciousness is merely the firing of neutrons and injections of chemicals.
Perhaps we have an overly romantic view of ourselves. Maybe we don't want to be broken down to our component parts, because then we wouldn't feel special anymore.
17 Mar 22
@kellyjay saidWhat is wanting? How does WILL work?
Do computers have a internal vested interest in winning or losing? Do they WANT to win or just preform what was coded and that alone?
Maybe all will is electronic impulses at the core.
Are they not taught to play chess by humans, as we are?
17 Mar 22
@bigdogg saidIt doesn't matter to them, because nothing matters to them; there is no joy in winning or loss producing pain; you are inserting what you want to see into something with no feelings, no soul, no heart, no intelligence; it computes; because that was what it was designed to do, nothing more, nothing less. You may well say a train is involved in a game of chicken as someone stands in front of it and dives out of the way at the last moment. If you have one, your smartphone has computing power; do you think it has joy or sorrow about anything?
The limitation is your perspective.
The machine has the same definitions of 'win' as we do. They will even refuse draws in objectively equal positions. In every sense that matters, they play to win as constantly, or more, than any human.
It may turn out to be true that our much self hyped consciousness is merely the firing of neutrons and injections of chemicals.
Per ...[text shortened]... don't want to be broken down to our component parts, because then we wouldn't feel special anymore.
17 Mar 22
@bigdogg saidIf a rock rolled down a hill and landed next to two other rocks, is it aware there are now three rocks? Why would you think some circuitry within a digital device has awareness? We can program computers to do some fantastic things, misleading some people who interact with them, thinking they are interacting with a person, but that is an illusion, not reality.
What is wanting? How does WILL work?
Maybe all will is electronic impulses at the core.
Are they not taught to play chess by humans, as we are?
18 Mar 22
@kellyjay saidAll you have is assertions without any justification. You keep bringing up emotions of various sorts; I am not sure why, as I never said, or even implied, that computers have actual emotions.
It doesn't matter to them, because nothing matters to them; there is no joy in winning or loss producing pain; you are inserting what you want to see into something with no feelings, no soul, no heart, no intelligence; it computes; because that was what it was designed to do, nothing more, nothing less. You may well say a train is involved in a game of chicken as someone sta ...[text shortened]... you have one, your smartphone has computing power; do you think it has joy or sorrow about anything?
You just see things the same boring, limited way over and over again. I don't think you're capable of digging deeper into how any of this stuff actually works. How disappointing.