@suzianne saidAs interesting as this juxtaposition is, the right to own a gun and the right to own a slave don't bear comparison. But, the juxtaposition captures a certain mentality for sure.
As Jim Jefferies has said, the same people saying "F--- you, don't take my guns!" now were the same people saying "F--- you, don't take my slaves!" 160 years ago.
Slavery was still being condoned in the New Testament.
Hardly anyone disputes the fact that slavery is a moral atrocity now.
According to Christian thinking [different perspectives perhaps], in what year did slavery go from being condoned in Christian scripture to being seen as a moral atrocity by [presumably] most Christians.
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@fmf saidYes, let us paint white people as something less than. As soon as we add to the word supremacist by applying color, we exclude all of those who are also supremacists of different colors; it is the same thing with the word extremist, white extremist, black extremist, rightwing extremist, leftwing extremist to add anything to the word extremist lets a lot of some of them off the hook while smearing a large group of people who may fit only half of that term.
"The same people" refers to white supremacists, then and now, clearly. Don't fend off the point Suzianne's juxtaposition by quibbling a turn of phrase.
@kellyjay saidThis is the problem. You are more concerned with how your race is portrayed than your religion. Which is the bigger problem: that white Christians are being portrayed is immoral or that the religion of Jesus Christ is?
Yes, let us paint white people as something less than.
The point of this or the previous is not about Caucasians, it's about how the Christian religion, which supposed to be about love, is so abhorrently racist, and has been responsible for countless evils.
The Christians here are missing the MUCH more important point: why don't Christians purge the evil from their own religion? Jesus flipped over the tables over the money changers, right? Then why don't white Christians revolt against the KKK and white supremacy? Why weren't white churches across America marching with Martin Luther King for equality and protesting Jim Crow laws?
That is the point here. If you all were serious about your religion, you would've been much more offended at the racists infecting the body of Christ than criticism than whites being criticized.
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@kellyjay saidWell, you either [1] acknowledge that white supremacist views were very common among whites who owned black slaves [and in the communities whose economies relied on slavery] and that they found what they felt was support for this in the Bible... or [2] you don't.
I'm not pointing to anyone's color and saying because of that; they did this or that.
I don't get why you are trying to run pass interference on behalf of Bible-brandishing white slave owners in your country's past.
@vivify saidI hate prejudice; I don't care where it is directed. I believe that we (all people) have a sinful nature, and we can use and abuse anything to promote the most despicable things we can. To select just one segment of us is overlooking all the others, so if I claim my race or gender is the righteous one, I'm am justifying the guilty and anyone else who does that is too no matter what color, nationality, or sex they are.
This is the problem. You are more concerned with how your race is portrayed than your religion. Which is the bigger problem: that white Christians are being portrayed is immoral or that the religion of Jesus Christ is?
The point of this or the previous is not about Caucasians, it's about how the Christian religion, which supposed to be about love, is so abhorrently raci ...[text shortened]... re offended at the racists infecting the body of Christ than criticism than whites being criticized.
This is not to suggest crimes were not committed; they have been, they are being, and they will continue unless grace breaks the cycle and repentance our hearts. Otherwise, we can play the victim card, everyone can claim someone of whatever group did them wrong, but if we give grace, we give our victim cards away because we must forgive for us to be forgiven. We hang on to our victimhood; we will never leave that place; we will always be the victim.
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@fmf saidI think those who harmed others will pay for their sins in full or Christ will, there is no excusing many of the things done by a man I don't care what color you want to look at; crimes are crimes, sins are sins, and the guilty have, but one thing to look forward to judgment is coming.
Well, you either [1] acknowledge that white supremacist views were very common among whites who owned black slaves [and in the communities whose economies relied on slavery] and that they found what they felt was support for this in the Bible... or [2] you don't.
I don't get why you are trying to run pass interference on behalf of Bible-brandishing white slave owners in your country's past.