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Originally posted by FMFRemember, your entire argument (or question, whatever) is ridiculous if your initial "given" is ridiculous.
So you say, but why do you believe Revelation was Jesus taking to someone in a dream? What is your justification for holding that belief?
No Christian believes that the Book of Revelation is just "Jesus talking to someone in a dream". If you wish precise answers, please give a realistic, precise question.
Edit: Also, if you wish to derail this thread with your own agenda-driven questions, then as ToO said, "start your own thread" (that I can then promptly ignore).
Originally posted by SuzianneI think it's an interesting topic. Seems like Christianity is often viewed as incoherent largely because so many Christians have adopted incoherent beliefs. This is one that seems to be pretty prevalent.
Thanks for not caving in to the "what manner of baloney is this? God doesn't exist at all, so this is all a waste of time!" crowd.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI'm following with interest, despite the uninvited derailers.
I think it's an interesting topic. Seems like Christianity is often viewed as incoherent largely because so many Christians have adopted incoherent beliefs. This is one that seems to be pretty prevalent.
I'm sure I'll eventually pop in with my opinion. 😉
In the meantime, do carry on.
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Originally posted by galveston75You may have "answered [your] thought quite clearly" (whatever that means), but you have not responded to my post:
I'm pretty sure I answered my thought quite clearly.
Sounds like wild speculation.
What isn't speculative is that Jesus emphasized the importance of HIS words. For example:
[quote]John 14
23Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24“He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
Jesus explicitly states that it is HIS words that need to be kept.
If Paul had access to words of Jesus that were not quoted elsewhere in the Bible, then they should have been quoted. Why wouldn't Paul have quoted Jesus given the emphasis Jesus gives to HIS words? [/quote]
If you can't provide an intelligent answer to the question, then just say so instead of trying to claim that you did - in albeit an extremely awkward manner.