Originally posted by ThinkOfOneSTOP the insults dude. I answered you in the way I understand your question. If you don't like it then tuff as I'm not going to lie or make something up just to please you. Geeeez...........
You may have "answered [your] thought quite clearly" (whatever that means), but you have not responded to my post:
[quote]Sounds like wild speculation.
What isn't speculative is that Jesus emphasized the importance of HIS words. For example:
[quote]John 14
23Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father wi ...[text shortened]... ust say so instead of trying to claim that you did - in albeit an extremely awkward manner.
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Originally posted by galveston75By all means, show everyone where you addressed the following:
STOP the insults dude. I answered you in the way I understand your question. If you don't like it then tuff as I'm not going to lie or make something up just to please you. Geeeez...........
If Paul had access to words of Jesus that were not quoted elsewhere in the Bible, then they should have been quoted. Why wouldn't Paul have quoted Jesus given the emphasis Jesus gives to HIS words?
Pretending that you've answered my question when it's clear that you haven't, is DECEITFUL. That you try to play the VICTIM on top of it makes it all the more reprehensible. From my experience, only those with a great deal of pride do things like that.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneOh so now I'm a liar too? Anymore info you'd like to share with me that I'm also at fault at?
By all means, show everyone where you addressed the following:If Paul had access to words of Jesus that were not quoted elsewhere in the Bible, then they should have been quoted. Why wouldn't Paul have quoted Jesus given the emphasis Jesus gives to HIS words?
Pretending that you've answered my question when it's clear that you haven' ...[text shortened]... eprehensible. From my experience, only those with a great deal of pride do things like that.
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Originally posted by galveston75You don't think it is deceitful to pretend to have answered a question when you haven't?
Oh so now I'm a liar too? Anymore info you'd like to share with me that I'm also at fault at?
If you think I'm mistaken, then by all means, point out where you answered the following:
If Paul had access to words of Jesus that were not quoted elsewhere in the Bible, then they should have been quoted. Why wouldn't Paul have quoted Jesus given the emphasis Jesus gives to HIS words?
Otherwise, stop playing the victim.
Originally posted by galveston75How about:
Are there any quotes from Jesus there?
"Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; the mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches."
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Originally posted by SuzianneI always assumed the ...I "heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet" thing was an allegory for some kind of dream. Do Christians have to believe that someone called John of Patmos actually heard someone behind him, and that this someone actually had a great voice like a trumpet? Does the validity of the content of the Book of Revelation depend on the reader accepting this to be true simply because it claims it to be so in its own first few verses?
No Christian believes that the Book of Revelation is just "Jesus talking to someone in a dream".
In general, most Christians believe everything written in the Bible. Jesus is the most important person in the Bible and therefore is the foundation of our beliefs. The apostles play an important role in explaining what the teachings of Jesus meant and the effects of following His teachings. When I started following the teachings of Jesus, I did not call myself a christian because of the way that I viewed christians. But when I was actually saved and born again, I started calling myself a Christian because I was adopted into the family of God. Being a Christian isn't all about what you believe because nobody has all the answers to everything theologically. Being a Christian is a about the Holy Spirit, the Lord, Jesus, the Spirit of Christ, dwelling in you and giving life to your soul. Eternal life is a gift that cannot be earned. I would urge any one reading this to consider my words and seek God with their whole heart because He will allow himself to be found. Apart from God nothing satisfies forever, but with Him we find a joy that surpasses all comprehension. I personally, have never been happier than the moment that Jesus came into my heart, and the beautiful thing is, you don't have to earn it. If you ask Him to He will come into you right now and change your life in a way you could never even imagine. He is so loving and so gracious and so real that He came down from the top and let people kill him in the most humiliating and painful way possible in order to demonstrate His love for you. He was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities. The punishment that brings us peace was upon Him and by His stripes, we are healed! All we like sheep have gone astray, everyone to his own way and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
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Originally posted by cfitz707
In general, most Christians believe everything written in the Bible. Jesus is the most important person in the Bible and therefore is the foundation of our beliefs. The apostles play an important role in explaining what the teachings of Jesus meant and the effects of following His teachings. When I started following the teachings of Jesus, I did not call my ...[text shortened]... have gone astray, everyone to his own way and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
In general, most Christians believe everything written in the Bible.
Really? You've checked with them have you?
In my experience few Christians believe EVERYTHING written in the bible.
Certainly not in any literal sense.
Those who believe that things like the great flood or the creation myth in genesis
actually happened are in a minority.
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Originally posted by cfitz707Care to actually address the topic of this thread? I'd be interested to hear your opionion.
In general, most Christians believe everything written in the Bible. Jesus is the most important person in the Bible and therefore is the foundation of our beliefs. The apostles play an important role in explaining what the teachings of Jesus meant and the effects of following His teachings. When I started following the teachings of Jesus, I did not call my have gone astray, everyone to his own way and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Or are you only interested in proselytizing? If you are, then I suggest you start a different thread.
I've provided the OP for your convenience.
From a poster on another thread:
Christianity is based upon the teachings of Christ, a Christian is one who adopts and applies those teachings.
From what I've seen, Christianity is based upon the teachings of the Bible, on the whole, rather than upon the teachings of Jesus. For that matter, the basic tenets of Christianity seem to be based much more upon the teachings of Paul and his followers rather than the teachings of Jesus.
Seems like Christians often make statements like the one quoted above. What's the reason for this when it's clearly not true?
Originally posted by avalanchethecatrationally, the Bibles internal harmony despite its authors spanning 1500, dietary laws in advance of medical understanding, the validity of the principles when applied, etc etc etc
It's crazy to believe that god inspired or directed the writing of the bible. Why would a rational person believe such a thing?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieInternal harmony lol. Dietary laws, how hard is that? If it poisoned grandma, it might poison me. Validity of principles... I don't see it.
rationally, the Bibles internal harmony despite its authors spanning 1500, dietary laws in advance of medical understanding, the validity of the principles when applied, etc etc etc
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatyes there is a theme running through the entire Bible despite the authors living centuries, sometime millennia apart. One only needs to compare the strict dietary and hygiene laws with those of other nations at the time to see that they were inspired.
Internal harmony lol. Dietary laws, how hard is that? If it poisoned grandma, it might poison me. Validity of principles... I don't see it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes, the books were selected with a particular theme in mind, so it would be remarkable would it not if that theme were not present. And no, I have already refuted your dietary and hygiene argument.
yes there is a theme running through the entire Bible despite the authors living centuries, sometime millennia apart. One only needs to compare the strict dietary and hygiene laws with those of other nations at the time to see that they were inspired.
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatyeah that's right, so you have. Perhaps you can provide any other book from antiquity which has as diverse a selection of authors and covers a similar period of time and still manages to remain harmonious. Perhaps you can provide any other book which has such effective hygiene and dietary laws, in fact, if i am not mistaken, it was not until the Crimean war that the British and particularly Florence nightingale realised the connection between health and cleanliness and yet there it was, in the Bible, for thousands of years prior. Yeah that's right, so you did.
Yes, the books were selected with a particular theme in mind, so it would be remarkable would it not if that theme were not present. And no, I have already refuted your dietary and hygiene argument.