31 Jan 13
From a poster on another thread:
Christianity is based upon the teachings of Christ, a Christian is one who adopts and applies those teachings.
From what I've seen, Christianity is based upon the teachings of the Bible, on the whole, rather than upon the teachings of Jesus. For that matter, the basic tenets of Christianity seem to be based much more upon the teachings of Paul and his followers rather than the teachings of Jesus.
Seems like Christians often make statements like the one quoted above. What's the reason for this when it's clearly not true.
31 Jan 13
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneBut where did Paul learn what he wrote?
From a poster on another thread:Christianity is based upon the teachings of Christ, a Christian is one who adopts and applies those teachings.
From what I've seen, Christianity is based upon the teachings of the Bible, on the whole, rather than upon the teachings of Jesus. For that matter, the basic tenets of Christianity seem to be b ...[text shortened]... statements like the one quoted above. What's the reason for this when it's clearly not true.
31 Jan 13
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Originally posted by galveston75Many of the teachings of Paul do not reflect the teachings of Jesus. For example, Jesus did not teach that man is incapable of stopping from committing sin, but from what I gather, many people believe that Paul teaches them that. It is easy to cite many more examples.
But where did Paul learn what he wrote?
For the most part, it seems that Christians quote Paul, the OT and others much more than they quote Jesus. This indicates that it is not the teachings of Jesus that is the basis of their beliefs and is not the teachings that they actually "adopt and apply".
31 Jan 13
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI'd like to hear more examples if you can?
Many of the teachings of Paul do not reflect the teachings of Jesus. For example, Jesus did not teach that man is incapable of stopping from committing sin, but from what I gather, many people believe that Paul teaches them that. It is easy to cite many more examples.
For the most part, it seems that Christians quote Paul, the OT and others much more ...[text shortened]... t is the basis of their beliefs and is not the teachings that they actually "adopt and apply".
31 Jan 13
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Originally posted by galveston75Are you kidding? I suggest you read the teachings of Jesus and then read the teachings of Paul.
I'd like to hear more examples if you can?
You'll want to pay particular attention when Jesus teaches time and again the importance of following HIS word (in case you need it spelled out for you, that does not include the word of Paul).
Any chance you might actually address the topic of this thread?
01 Feb 13
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou have to remember that theists in general believe and preach things that are clearly not true. (clear to us atheists anyway). So you should be asking the more general question.
Seems like Christians often make statements like the one quoted above. What's the reason for this when it's clearly not true.
01 Feb 13
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneno he is not joking, where is your evidence that Pauls teachings are incongruous with those of the Christ and yo are quite wrong there is no mention in the text of following the teaching of Christ exclusively while ignoring all other Biblical principles, such a view leads to a distorted perspective.
Are you kidding? I suggest you read the teachings of Jesus and then read the teachings of Paul.
You'll want to pay particular attention when Jesus teaches time and again the importance of following HIS word (in case you need it spelled out for you, that does not include the word of Paul).
Any chance you might actually address the topic of this thread?
01 Feb 13
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIn order to fully understand what is taught, several things are first required.
From a poster on another thread:Christianity is based upon the teachings of Christ, a Christian is one who adopts and applies those teachings.
From what I've seen, Christianity is based upon the teachings of the Bible, on the whole, rather than upon the teachings of Jesus. For that matter, the basic tenets of Christianity seem to be b ...[text shortened]... statements like the one quoted above. What's the reason for this when it's clearly not true.
Who?
Said what?
To whom?
How was it conveyed?
Where?
When?
Why?
If any part of these requirements are missing, the cake will end up tasting like something other--- usually not pleasant.
The sayings of the Lord Jesus Christ are so often misconstrued, misapplied and generally misunderstood, as to render them nearly useless for most applications.
That is not to say they ought to be discarded, but for the timid, Christianity is made more palatable with Paul and the other apostles as the filter.
Amazingly, even with such a qualified filter as Paul, people still bungle the hell out of the messages!
For the literalist who eschews the writings of the apostles and determines to live strictly by the words of the Lord Jesus Christ, there awaits a calming, padded cell and adequate caregiving--- assuming such a person makes it out alive, of course.
01 Feb 13
Originally posted by FreakyKBHMany of the most educated teachers of Judaism of the time could not understand the teachings of Jesus and even the disciples of Jesus had a hard time understanding all His messages. So are we expected to be any different. We can only expect to understand in part, some a little more and some a little less.
In order to fully understand what is taught, several things are first required.
Who?
Said what?
To whom?
How was it conveyed?
Where?
When?
Why?
If any part of these requirements are missing, the cake will end up tasting like something other--- usually not pleasant.
The sayings of the Lord Jesus Christ are so often misconstrued, misapplied ...[text shortened]... ng, padded cell and adequate caregiving--- assuming such a person makes it out alive, of course.
01 Feb 13
Originally posted by twhiteheadThat's not what this thread is about. If you'd like to see an answer to the "more general question" then start another thread.
You have to remember that theists in general believe and preach things that are clearly not true. (clear to us atheists anyway). So you should be asking the more general question.
01 Feb 13
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneLol. I believe I am addressing the thread.
Are you kidding? I suggest you read the teachings of Jesus and then read the teachings of Paul.
You'll want to pay particular attention when Jesus teaches time and again the importance of following HIS word (in case you need it spelled out for you, that does not include the word of Paul).
Any chance you might actually address the topic of this thread?
We read in the bible what Jesus said only on a small level of what he no doubt spoke to these men who followed him.
There were many, many hours of conversation on many things that they no doubt had in their many hours of travel and associations with each other.
Not ever word spoken between them was written down.
And these many thousands of hours of discussions no doubt had deeper explinations to teach them his thoughts and these would have been passed along to ones such as Paul who would have written down these deeper explinations and thoughts of Jesus.
01 Feb 13
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf G75 is not joking then he can address the example I gave in my second post.
no he is not joking, where is your evidence that Pauls teachings are incongruous with those of the Christ and yo are quite wrong there is no mention in the text of following the teaching of Christ exclusively while ignoring all other Biblical principles, such a view leads to a distorted perspective.
Beyond that, it's clear that Paul taught many things that were not taught by Jesus. Even a cursory reading of the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of Paul reveals this.
such a view leads to a distorted perspective.
The view can only be viewed as 'distorted' if one believe that Christianity is based on the teachings of the Bible as a whole.
The topic is of this thread is that Christians often claim that Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus and that a Christian is one who adopts and applies those teachings even when it's apparent that their faith is based upon the teachings of the Bible as a whole. Why do you think they make this false claim?