Christianity v. MAGA Christianity

@Suzianne said
I'm talking about the far right in this country doing everything they can to cancel the Constitution. Due process is going out the window, certain minorities seemingly don't have the right to live out their lives in peace, free from threats of prosecution or death, LGBTQ+ rights being eroded, all in the name of "White makes right". Even women are now second-class citizens, ...[text shortened]... r me, but not for thee, is their mantra.

All this is not what Jesus meant by Lights of the World.

OK, so what would you change?

@Philokalia said
OK, so what would you change?

Nearly everything.

But first I would get Paula White as far from the White House as we could get her.

Next would be Charlie Kirk.

@Suzianne said
Those questions define your stance.

You already did that, show me why.

@Suzianne said
You still haven't understood that these are questions.

Answer them.

Have you ever considered just "letting go and letting God"?

@Philokalia said
Well, yhes, of course, we are all sinners...

But this is even the nature of Christianity all the time. We are mere mortals trying to walk in the footsteps of God.

Dear Mr. Ellipsis, 😉

I don't view things through that filter or according to that mental framework; therefore, so much for those three assertions.

But I think we could still get along pretty well most of the time. 😉

@Philokalia said
Right, I don't do that.

What are you talking about, exactly?

I gather that she is a fisher of men, so that she can beat the carp out of them for having the wrong stances or -- even worse! -- having no stances at all.

@Arkturos said
Dear Mr. Ellipsis, 😉

I don't view things through that filter or according to that mental framework; therefore, so much for those three assertions.

But I think we could still get along pretty well most of the time. 😉

I agree.

@Arkturos said
Have you ever considered just "letting go and letting God"?

Have you ever considered just "buzzing off"?

@Philokalia said
OK, so what would you change?

For starters, let's go back to the Constitutionally-supported separation of church and state, as voiced in the First Amendment.

Hint: It was made the very First Amendment for a reason.

@Arkturos said
Have you ever considered just "letting go and letting God"?

Non sequitur.

@Suzianne said
For starters, let's go back to the Constitutionally-supported separation of church and state, as voiced in the First Amendment.

Hint: It was made the very First Amendment for a reason.

Yes, and this is one of the reasons that I appreciate free speech the most.

The separation of church & state is also necessary.

However, does that actually mean that people are not allowed to vote their conscience? The amendment exists to testify that there will be no limitations to the nature of people who can occupy government posts nor will there be funding of the church or equation of any church with the state, no "national church," which was very much in people's minds because that had been normalized in many Protestant circles.

@Philokalia said
Yes, and this is one of the reasons that I appreciate free speech the most.

The separation of church & state is also necessary.

However, does that actually mean that people are not allowed to vote their conscience? The amendment exists to testify that there will be no limitations to the nature of people who can occupy government posts nor will there be fundi ...[text shortened]... " which was very much in people's minds because that had been normalized in many Protestant circles.

Yet look at the ongoing integration of "Christianity" with the State going on right now.

@Suzianne said
Yet look at the ongoing integration of "Christianity" with the State going on right now.

I'd like you to prove that is happening.

@Philokalia said
I'd like you to prove that is happening.

Look at the Ten Commandments being posted in school classrooms in Louisiana.

Look at Bibles being made available in classrooms in Oklahoma.

Look at wherever Creationism is being taught in schools.

What's next? Stoning at recess?

@Suzianne said
Look at the Ten Commandments being posted in school classrooms in Louisiana.

Look at Bibles being made available in classrooms in Oklahoma.

Look at wherever Creationism is being taught in schools.

What's next? Stoning at recess?

The Louisiana example is happening locally. I do not think it is that inflammatory, either. It's a historic document that most people honor and part of the American heritage generally, and deciding to display it doesn't seem that bad.

The Bible in Oklahoma..? Same thing, it really should be a text that is studied in the West and in the East.

Creationism? It is a completely valid idea about how the world came into being.

These are all ideas with value, and the state does not infringe on the first amendment. It's just part of the heritage of the American people.

I think it is also the Bible that is to be ultmately credited with the heritage of liberalism in the Western world.