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Originally posted by JoniGYou are the god itself and that's it.
I don't think there is such a thing as ''God''.
You are the god itself and that's it.
Hello Nietzsche.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHHow bout this from the bible?:
Wait a tic. You were the one who was trying (pun intended) to burden the Big Three with the demand of death for all apostates. Whence cometh thou proof?
Let's not change horses in the middle of the stream, and shift the blame to communities of application. Either it is written and commanded in those writs, or it is not. Which way are you playing it?
Originally posted by sonhousedifferent time, different place. Jesus came and died... it changed.
How bout this from the bible?:
THE PUNISHMENT FOR APOSTASY AS PROVIDED BY SHARI’A (LAW) IN THE BIBLE
42. Deuteronomy 17: 2 - 7 of the Bible: "If any one, whether man or woman, in any village through out your land violates your covenant with god by worshipping other God’s, the sun, moon or stars - which I have strictly forbidden - first check the rumour ...[text shortened]... and you may be shunned, but not killed. Fundamentalists view it a bit differantly though.
Originally posted by KaboooombaSo the bible and qu'ran is a variable book, to be used as one sees fit?
different time, different place. Jesus came and died... it changed.
Originally posted by sonhouseOh, my bad. I thought we were discussing apostasy, which is an abandonment of one's faith. This particular verse has nature worship in mind, replete with all of its detestable practices.
How bout this from the bible?:
THE PUNISHMENT FOR APOSTASY AS PROVIDED BY SHARI’A (LAW) IN THE BIBLE
42. Deuteronomy 17: 2 - 7 of the Bible: "If any one, whether man or woman, in any village through out your land violates your covenant with god by worshipping other God’s, the sun, moon or stars - which I have strictly forbidden - first check the rumour ...[text shortened]... and you may be shunned, but not killed. Fundamentalists view it a bit differantly though.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAre you accepting though that the death penalty for ones beliefs is acceptable in some circumstances?
Oh, my bad. I thought we were discussing apostasy, which is an abandonment of one's faith. This particular verse has nature worship in mind, replete with all of its detestable practices.
Got anything better than this?
Originally posted by KaboooombaIf the Christian God demanded the death penalty at one point in time then why do so many Christians act like muslims are somehow morally wrong or inferior to have a simmilar law? If it is merely a matter of time and place then what makes you feel that you are correct about the time and place?
different time, different place. Jesus came and died... it changed.
Originally posted by sonhouseit's people playing god by relating one situation to another thinking it justifies their actions. i think people who do things like this are sick oooo's.
So the bible and qu'ran is a variable book, to be used as one sees fit?
If the entire country all of a sudden for some insane reason becomes totally fundamentalist and uses that verse again to kill people who convert to scientology then its now ok again? And later if the fundamentalists are thrown out, now its not ok again?
Originally posted by twhiteheadin the old testament it talks about sacrificing animals for your sins. how many Christians do this?
If the Christian God demanded the death penalty at one point in time then why do so many Christians act like muslims are somehow morally wrong or inferior to have a simmilar law? If it is merely a matter of time and place then what makes you feel that you are correct about the time and place?
Originally posted by KaboooombaSo any Christian which agrees that the death penalty for apostacy was acceptable in the past (before Jesus), is implying that the fault of Muslims who believe that it is acceptable today is not one of fundamental rights or morals but rather one of faith ie they do not accept Jesus' specific teachings. Surely this means that you are not respecting thier freedom of religion?
different time, different place. Jesus came and died... it changed.
Originally posted by twhiteheadcan you give me an example in the Bible?
So any Christian which agrees that the death penalty for apostacy was acceptable in the past (before Jesus), is implying that the fault of Muslims who believe that it is acceptable today is not one of fundamental rights or morals but rather one of faith ie they do not accept Jesus' specific teachings. Surely this means that you are not respecting thier freedom of religion?
Originally posted by KaboooombaAre you asking for examples of the death penalty?
can you give me an example in the Bible?
edit: i get your point. it is a good one.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo to the dead person, this distinction makes a differance? That person is supposed to feel better now knowing he wasn't killed because he left the faith, merely for not worshipping Jesus?
The ignorance of Scripture here is appalling. If you are going to quote Scripture, at least know something of the isagogics involved. For the record, sonhouse's original argument was as follows:
[i]Ok, so I assume you think its ok to kill someone who leaves one of the big three religions? Seems to be in the the Quran, and the bible,
old testement, y ...[text shortened]... are attempting to apply it; it was intended for those who worshipped false gods specifically.