Civilization is going backwards.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
there are a lot of claims about who invented the zero. i guess we can count on the fact that it wasn't the europeans.

The concept of zero was definitely not in the deep past, like Dasa/vishavhetu would like us to believe, it seems to have originated in the year 520 AD.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
there are a lot of claims about who invented the zero. i guess we can count on the fact that it wasn't the europeans.

Any mathematician worth his salt knows that Al Gore invented zero.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I don't see an ultimate authority, only the jostling of atoms in a quantum dance resulting in such absurdities as human beings🙂

If there was some kind of authority it vanished eons ago. I think we are left on island Earth to live or die as we will.

The universe may not even be all there is so the big picture is way bigger than humans can suss out at ...[text shortened]... ority, stopping Muslims in their tracks, how would you know not to worship this being as a god?

Maybe that is why you are confused. You don't recognize an authority.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Maybe that is why you are confused. You don't recognize an authority.

Ahh but the trouble with authority is that there are many claimed authorities...
how do you tell which one/s is/are right?

Why you ask them to justify their claims and you test them.

When you find you can justify their claims, or not, via evidence and reasoning alone,
what use then do you have for the authority?


In practical terms you can't test or check everything, in which case you need some
mechanism where everything gets checked, but not necessarily by you...

Peer reviewed journals are sciences answer to this problem.
It isn't perfect, but it is self correcting and no one has yet demonstrated anything better.

You can place a high value of trust on 'scientific authority' because it is constantly
tested and reviewed. The consensus is only reached after much analysis and testing.
It is not always right, but it is right way more often than anything else.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Ahh but the trouble with authority is that there are many claimed authorities...
how do you tell which one/s is/are right?

Why you ask them to justify their claims and you test them.

When you find you can justify their claims, or not, via evidence and reasoning alone,
what use then do you have for the authority?


In practical terms you can't ...[text shortened]... sis and testing.
It is not always right, but it is right way more often than anything else.

Youu sound like you are just as confused as sunhouse.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Youu sound like you are just as confused as sunhouse.

The bare fact of it is if someone like that, a very advanced but not a god, being came down to Earth claiming to be Jesus on Earth again, and was seen as wise, just, healing the sick, etc., you would fall all over yourself to be the first in line to be blessed by your false god.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You sound like you are just as confused as sonhouse.

Do you have anything other than a pithy barb to throw at me?

What if anything with my statement do you disagree with and why?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Do you have anything other than a pithy barb to throw at me?

What if anything with my statement do you disagree with and why?

Nope. You may not recognize the ultimate authority, but at least you have
science as a partial authority in contrast to sunhouse and his dancing atoms.
I have a slight headache and I am not in the mood to argue the point.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Nope. You may not recognize the ultimate authority, but at least you have
science as a partial authority in contrast to sunhouse and his dancing atoms.
I have a slight headache and I am not in the mood to argue the point.

Then argue it later, no major time constraints...
Ill see your slight headache and raise you remains of last nights migraine.

Anyhow, drink lots, take a pill (suitable for the ailment in hand, and following the directions on the packet, and hope you don't get stuck on the head by falling satellites....), and try again when feeling better.

Originally posted by googlefudge

Why do you ask me to google the word fudge every time I come across one of your posts.

To be totally honest, I'm slightly repulsed at the idea--and the visual--if indeed I were to heed your request.

Originally posted by sonhouse
The concept of zero was definitely not in the deep past, like Dasa/vishavhetu would like us to believe, it seems to have originated in the year 520 AD.

The zero - is eternal.

Numbers are eternal.

Mathematics are eternal.

If mankind only found out about numbers recently - then it is because they have only recently put thought to mind about it.

In Vedic culture 50 thousand years ago everyone were using numbers.

Kali Yuga came to us 5000 years ago and everything has been lost and we only have remnants of Vedic culture now.

Originally posted by Dasa
The zero - is eternal.

Numbers are eternal.

Mathematics are eternal.

If mankind only found out about numbers recently - then it is because they have only recently put thought to mind about it.

In Vedic culture 50 thousand years ago everyone were using numbers.

Kali Yuga came to us 5000 years ago and everything has been lost and we only have remnants of Vedic culture now.

Well, how convenient.

Originally posted by Dasa
The zero - is eternal.

Numbers are eternal.

Mathematics are eternal.

If mankind only found out about numbers recently - then it is because they have only recently put thought to mind about it.

In Vedic culture 50 thousand years ago everyone were using numbers.

Kali Yuga came to us 5000 years ago and everything has been lost and we only have remnants of Vedic culture now.

God and the Word of God are the only eternal things that I know about.
You are spouting off nonsense again.

Originally posted by RJHinds
God and the Word of God are the only eternal things that I know about.
You are spouting off nonsense again.

The Bible has been with us ever since it was compiled about 1600 years ago.

The Vedas have been with us for eternity because God is eternal.

Doctrine coming to us in recent times can only come from man (speculating man)

True spirituality/religion can never be of recent times.

If a religion pops into existence in recent times it must be questionable.

Its just common sense.

Originally posted by Dasa
The zero - is eternal.

Numbers are eternal.

Mathematics are eternal.

If mankind only found out about numbers recently - then it is because they have only recently put thought to mind about it.

In Vedic culture 50 thousand years ago everyone were using numbers.

Kali Yuga came to us 5000 years ago and everything has been lost and we only have remnants of Vedic culture now.

The Vedic culture existed 50,000 years ago? Civilization sprang up at the Tigris/Euphrates Delta area around 7,000 years ago. So is Vedic culture part of pre-cvilization, i.e. uncivilized? Since there are no known writtten communications before civilization began, how did the Vedic community communicate with one another? Was it a complicated system of hand gestures and popping sounds?

Also this Yuga guy. Is it just coincidence that today Westerners practice something called "Yoga" and many Westerners admire, perhaps worship, one named Yogi Bear? I find the correlation between these seemingly different characters and practices fascinating. Your thoughts?