@fmf saidIf true, if you believe them or not, they are true; being warned about them would be no different than seeing a sign that says bridge out danger and ignoring it because you believe the sign was making an assertion.
As I thought, you were just making assertions. So what about the issues raised by the OP and the subsequent posts which ARE about supernatural punishment?
Your thoughts about the people who share what they think have nothing to do with the truthfulness of what is shared, any more than the people's thoughts about you have anything to do with the truthfulness of those things you share.
@kellyjay saidYou making assertions about how very, very, very true your beliefs about supernatural punishment are, while any reality that the supernatural punishment in question actually exists is being kept from non-believers, is what this thread is about. Do you really think your assertions about supernatural punishment in tandem with some religious literature you just so happen to subscribe to is evidence that what you believe is true? I don't think you do, to be frank.
If true, if you believe them or not, they are true; being warned about them would be no different than seeing a sign that says bridge out danger and ignoring it because you believe the sign was making an assertion.
Your thoughts about the people who share what they think have nothing to do with the truthfulness of what is shared, any more than the people's thoughts about you have anything to do with the truthfulness of those things you share.
@kellyjay saidThere will be objective evidence that the bridge exists, that it is out, and that it being damaged represents actual danger.
If true, if you believe them or not, they are true; being warned about them would be no different than seeing a sign that says bridge out danger and ignoring it because you believe the sign was making an assertion.
Your suggestion that you provide some kind of 'warning sign' by reciting your beliefs about supernatural punishment ~ when your claims are unprovable [unlike the actual bridge being actually down and falling into the actual river is actually dangerous] ~ is giving off a definite whiff of narcissism.
-Removed-I am simply pointing out that the truth they talk about doesn't change because of their credibility with us; no one is saying believe this because I'm so well received what is being said; this is the truth, which you may choose to ignore. If there were no flaws, the ranker, and insults that are cast about here, I'm sure would invent some to find some reason real or not to take what is said seriously.
@kellyjay saidYou seem to be saying that if the "truth" you believe in is good enough for you, then it's good enough for everyone, and the punishment for not seeing it the same way as you see it is eternal torture. And yet, all the assertions you make are subjective; you offer no evidence that supernatural punishment exists aside from religious literature.
I am simply pointing out that the truth they talk about doesn't change because of their credibility with us; no one is saying believe this because I'm so well received what is being said; this is the truth, which you may choose to ignore.
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@pb1022 saidThe crucifixes that people (presumably Christians) wear around their necks are a symbol representing the cross at Calvary, and what happened there that day.
<<But God certainly isn't hiding Jesus under a basket. Jesus is hanging on a cross in full view of the whole world.>>
He’s no longer on the cross. That’s why I don’t like crucifixes.
Jesus may not still be 'on' the cross, but it is a powerful symbol of the sacrifice he made for us.
Disclaimer: I often wear a small gold crucifix. I have several, many of them given to me, and they have sentimental value.
Second dislaimer (edit): I used the word 'crucifix', not understanding that this is actually defined as an image of Jesus on the cross. What I meant was a simple plain cross, and that's what I thought you were talking about.
@fmf saidIt is faith, what we trust in; if I could provide proof, it wouldn't be faith; it would be proven. You know, as I do, none of us will make it out of this life alive, so what is to come is coming to us all without exception. A real danger, you can deny it no different than you can also deny the bridge being out. We know that justice is real, and if we think right now, we can do things and get away with it; if we just don't get caught here, we are free and clear, is also an assertion. The same power that created the universe put in place our notions of fairness, justice, goodness, and so on; these are not terms a material world would ever come up with on its own. We know thirst because it is something we can satisfy here with a drink, we know hunger is something we can satisfy with food, and we understand justice when we see wrongs done and if there are those that leave this world without paying the price for their crimes in this life, like drink and food, that answer is coming as well.
There will be objective evidence that the bridge exists, that it is out, and that it being damaged represents actual danger.
Your suggestion that you provide some kind of 'warning sign' by reciting your beliefs about supernatural punishment ~ when your claims are unprovable [unlike the actual bridge being actually down and falling into the actual river is actually dangerous] ~ is giving off a definite whiff of narcissism.
@kellyjay saidNone of us will make it out of this life alive. But is there any credible evidence that there is anything after death ~ aside from your faith and the religious literature you subscribe to?
You know, as I do, none of us will make it out of this life alive, so what is to come is coming to us all without exception.