Collective salvation

Originally posted by Suzianne
No, don't speak to me as a child. You are damning my beliefs without appearing to damn my beliefs. And that's passive-aggressive.

Don't react like a child. I am not damming your beliefs. We disagree about the truth claims you make, that's all.

Originally posted by Suzianne
What you have described numerous times is far, far from their "actual" value.

This is inevitably going to be your view seeing as you are a Christian and I am no longer one.

Originally posted by Suzianne
If you were being "upfront and direct" about what you think of my beliefs, you would call them "hokum", lies, or "snake oil". But no, you speak about their "value" even while you denigrate them.

If I wanted to denigrate them perhaps I would describe them as "hokum", "lies", or "snake oil" but I don't want to denigrate them and I don't want to use those words and don't need to in order to respond to your proselytism. They are your words not mine. Talk about what I say rather than attack what you imagine I have said or what I might have said.

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I can prescribe a tablet that will help you with that.

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You think i am able to see you? That does indeed sound paranoid sir.

Would you prefer a depot injection?

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🙂 Of course.

Originally posted by Suzianne
No, that's [b]not what I mean. Free will means that you have a choice, and you exercise that choice. When you exercise your choice, whatever it is, you are not "giving your free will over" to anybody. You are using it as intended.

The choice I speak of, IS the choice between accepting a Savior, or not. Your free will enables your choice. ...[text shortened]... ke it for you, nor take it away from you. Meaning that the choice IS "on you", and no one else.[/b]

So I can choose whatever I want but if I dont choose to obey JC it's the wrong choice?

Originally posted by Suzianne
No, that's not what I mean. Free will means that you have a choice, and you exercise that choice. When you exercise your choice, whatever it is, you are not "giving your free will over" to anybody. You are using it as intended.

The choice I speak of, IS the choice between accepting a Savior, or not. Your free will enables your choice. What I ...[text shortened]... ke it for you, nor take it away from you. Meaning that the choice IS "on you", and no one else.

Have you read Iron in the Soul by Sartre? I think it's that one where he makes the point that in making a choice one does give up one's free will, but it is the only way of expressing it. So, by exercising one's free will to take some course of action one loses free will in the matter - but if one fails to make the decision at all that one effectively never has free will at all.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
So I can choose whatever I want but if I dont choose to obey JC it's the wrong choice?

You don't need to obey Jesus you just have to be saved, all you gotta do is say, 'Im saved' and thats it, nothing can unsave you, your place beside Jesus as a King and priest in the heavens is guaranteed after that you can do whatever you like. Once saved always saved!