26 Aug 08
YEC assumes(among other things) that God created the world about 6000 years ago. Any isotope dating is irrelevant because God in his infinite wisdom created all things as if having history. as such, trees have rings and rocks seem to be having 4 billion years. What would the reason be god created things this way is another story. perhaps just to make fun of our puny attempts at science.
Last thursdayism assumes that the universe was not created in the big bang circa 15 billion years ago, nor by God 6000 years ago. but in fact it was created last thursday and all the people have memories of a world war II, of einstein, picasso and all the other historical figures.
To me, the logic(so to speak) of both theories is exactly the same. what do you think?
26 Aug 08
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Originally posted by ZahlanziI think you are right -both theories stem from exactly the same kind of unqualified assumption that the world is made to appear to be something radically different from what it is.
YEC assumes(among other things) that God created the world about 6000 years ago. Any isotope dating is irrelevant because God in his infinite wisdom created all things as if having history. as such, trees have rings and rocks seem to be having 4 billion years. What would the reason be god created things this way is another story. perhaps just to make fun of ...[text shortened]... res.
To me, the logic(so to speak) of both theories is exactly the same. what do you think?
One aspect of your second theory is that if it was true, then literally every historical account in the Bible would be false (even I wouldn’t believe that!) and the was never a Christ (nor Romans that nailed him to a cross).
Another aspect of your second theory is that if it was true, then literally every historical account of scientific discovery would be false. It would mean that all so called “scientific facts” where never actually discovered! -at least not any that are supposed to be discovered before last Thursday. In fact, no scientific facts would even have ever come from any conceived theory that was then subsequently tested.
This would mean that if your second theory is true then, for all we know, the Earth could be flat and not round and shaped like a laughing monkey doing finger gestures -it is just that few people have noticed this yet from last Thursday and anyone that has has either keep it to themselves in fear of being ridiculed or foolishly haven’t kept it to themselves and HAVE been ridiculed.
26 Aug 08
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Originally posted by Bosse de NagePerhaps not much. But any astronauts looking back on the Earth would be continually slapping themselves on the face to try and bring themselves back from cuckoo-land and back to their senses and reallity.
Would it matter terribly much if it was?
26 Aug 08
Originally posted by Bosse de Nageinteresting point. how meaningful are our lives if all beyond last thursday is a lie, or simply information fed to our brain. if all we know is what the senses tell us, how can we be sure the past happened. how can we be proud of the sidney opera house if it wasn't humans who built it but god did it last thursday.
Would it matter terribly much if it was?
and according to the last thursdayism, the universe is recreated every thursday. so how meaningful a life would be if our past is a lie and everything we accomplish in a week will be destroyed and recreated by god and next universe will have memory of creating last week and the weeks before.
26 Aug 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasbut it is fun debating. although it is the same kind of philosophy that "is my red red to you? or my red is your blue?" is: doesn't get you anywhere. when we build our reality by the information given to us by the senses what use is there to question the realness of that reality?
Matrix is a existential horror movie.
26 Aug 08
Originally posted by ZahlanziIt's very fun debating it. But I think there are alot of people at mental institutions that actually are questionning their awareness of their reality.
but it is fun debating. although it is the same kind of philosophy that "is my red red to you? or my red is your blue?" is: doesn't get you anywhere. when we build our reality by the information given to us by the senses what use is there to question the realness of that reality?
26 Aug 08
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhich is more horrifying -- The Matrix or Groundhog Day?
but it is fun debating. although it is the same kind of philosophy that "is my red red to you? or my red is your blue?" is: doesn't get you anywhere. when we build our reality by the information given to us by the senses what use is there to question the realness of that reality?
26 Aug 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasIt's more likely that they're locked up precisely because they don't question their awareness -- their delusions are real to them. Well, that's often the case for paranoid schizophrenics, at least.
It's very fun debating it. But I think there are alot of people at mental institutions that actually are questionning their awareness of their reality.
Questioning is healthy.
26 Aug 08
Originally posted by Bosse de Nagemy opinion is that matrix is more scary.
Which is more horrifying -- The Matrix or Groundhog Day?
if i remember correctly, the hero in groundhog day escapes the time loop through his actions(even if it took him a while to get it right), ie the system had an end condition from the beginning, you just had to fulfill it.
to get out of the matrix requires outside intervention meaning you are not in control of your destiny, morpheus must show it to you.