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When a mentally disabled person is born, raised, and dies with the mind of a 1 year old, no language capability, etc., and dies and goes to heaven, does that person now have language capability, moral ability, etc.?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieJust was wondering the religious take on this. I wondered for instance, what happens to a fetus that was aborted, does it go to heaven?
you're argument rests on the premise that we have an 'eternal soul', something that transcends death and goes to some other place - not a biblical teaching!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe Christian Scriptures teach that something beyond this world is eternal and will live in paradise,
you're argument rests on the premise that we have an 'eternal soul', something that transcends death and goes to some other place - not a biblical teaching!
Originally posted by sonhouseThat would depend if the fetus has a soul or not.
Just was wondering the religious take on this. I wondered for instance, what happens to a fetus that was aborted, does it go to heaven?
Originally posted by sonhouseYou are presuming the idea of a heaven. You also seem to presume (but my interpretation could be wrong) that some sort of afterlife, if it exists, is the same kind of existence that we presently find ourselves. Why would either of these necessarily be the case?
When a mentally disabled person is born, raised, and dies with the mind of a 1 year old, no language capability, etc., and dies and goes to heaven, does that person now have language capability, moral ability, etc.?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieStory of the Rich man and Lazarus. Both died and something lived on and went elsewhere. Not saying it is eternal. Living on after death is not necessarily eternal. Only God decides what life is eternal and what is not. But Christ was clear that both body and soul exist and they are not necessarily the same:
you're argument rests on the premise that we have an 'eternal soul', something that transcends death and goes to some other place - not a biblical teaching!
Originally posted by Rajk999now! now! Rajk999, i thought we were brothers in arms opposing the trinitarians, now you renegade on me, as Dylan says, ''you and i have been through that, and this is not our fate, so let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late!''.
Story of the Rich man and Lazarus. Both died and something lived on and went elsewhere. Not saying it is eternal. Living on after death is not necessarily eternal. Only God decides what life is eternal and what is not. But Christ was clear that both body and soul exist and they are not necessarily the same:
Mstt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body ...[text shortened]... able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy BOTH SOUL and body in hell.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieLOL ... but Im just repeating the words of Christ. Is there a special way to interpret that passage ?
now! now! Rajk999, i thought we were brothers in arms opposing the trinitarians, now you renegade on me, as Dylan says, ''you and i have been through that, and this is not our fate, so let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late!''.
Originally posted by chappy1what do i mean, ' there is no concept of an eternal 'soul', i.e. 'something that leaves the body after or just prior to death in that it transcends death and goes somewhere else, either purgatory or hell or heaven etc etc mostly the ideas related to these concepts come from a poor translation and thus a poor understanding of the original Greek and Hebrew words for soul in the ancient record. such an opinion would negate the need for a resurrection, a fundamental christian belief, after all, if something survives eternally, there would logically be no need to resurrect it, would there?
Not a Biblical teaching? What do you mean?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe soul, which is bascially the life that God breathed into man, lives on after the body dies, and returns to God. Soul and body are separate. God can kill both, man can kill the body only. Christ said so in crystal clear language (and gave examples) and no amount of human logic and analysis can refute it. If you try to refute it you will look as silly as the Trintarians do when they try to claim Christ is God when the Angels, Paul, John the Baptist, disciples.. everybody.. called Christ the Son of God.
what do i mean, ' there is no concept of an eternal 'soul', i.e. 'something that leaves the body after or just prior to death in that it transcends death and goes somewhere else, either purgatory or hell or heaven etc etc mostly the ideas related to these concepts come from a poor translation and thus a poor understanding of the original Greek and He ...[text shortened]... hts - regards Robbie Carrobie (carrobie is the Persian/urdu word for cherub or angel) 😀
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis whole theory or concept would not agree with the scriptures of Lazarus and the rich man after their deaths. And many other numerous scriptures. It has nothing to do with any poor translations.
what do i mean, ' there is no concept of an eternal 'soul', i.e. 'something that leaves the body after or just prior to death in that it transcends death and goes somewhere else, either purgatory or hell or heaven etc etc mostly the ideas related to these concepts come from a poor translation and thus a poor understanding of the original Greek and He hts - regards Robbie Carrobie (carrobie is the Persian/urdu word for cherub or angel) 😀