20 Apr 07
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomNo. I was going to say that those who wrote the bible were humans who had different opinions, so the bible was bound to have contradicting opinions.
pick and choose the parts you like and follow those
And, btw, at least in my opinion, you shouldn't just pick and choose (even though it's hard!)...you should wrestle out ideas. Some parts are more important, but that doesn't mean the others are worthless...
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by wittywonkai just dont listen to any of it
No. I was going to say that those who wrote the bible were humans who had different opinions, so the bible was bound to have contradicting opinions.
And, btw, at least in my opinion, you shouldn't just pick and choose (even though it's hard!)...you should wrestle out ideas. Some parts are more important, but that doesn't mean the others are worthless...
20 Apr 07
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Originally posted by wittywonkaBased on what do you "pick and choose?"
No. I was going to say that those who wrote the bible were humans who had different opinions, so the bible was bound to have contradicting opinions.
And, btw, at least in my opinion, you shouldn't just pick and choose (even though it's hard!)...you should wrestle out ideas. Some parts are more important, but that doesn't mean the others are worthless...
According to the Bible, it is all inspired by God. Is that part one of the portions you choose to leave out?
I'd understand if you chose to not believe any of it accept for the parts that you find elsewhere in the world or other religious scriptures. But, if that's the case than you can do away with the Bible as a whole. Why keep any of it if you only want to keep that parts that are easy for you or shed your situation in a shiney, happy light?
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by Big MacCan you provide a chapter and verse in which the Bible says that it is all inspired by God?
Based on what do you "pick and choose?"
According to the Bible, it is all inspired by God. Is that part one of the portions you choose to leave out?
I'd understand if you chose to not believe any of it accept for the parts that you find elsewhere in the world or other religious scriptures. But, if that's the case than you can do away with the Bible as ...[text shortened]... nt to keep that parts that are easy for you or shed your situation in a shiney, happy light?
20 Apr 07
Originally posted by reader1107In Paul's letter to Timothy, he wrote, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in rightesouness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." Timothy 3:16-17.
Can you provide a chapter and verse in which the Bible says that it is all inspired by God?
There are disagreements on the words "all scripture." Since I must be faithful to the text as a Christian, I must state that the Greek phrase could be translated "All writings." But according to the rest of the canon, this is clearly talking about the words found in the Bible.
I hope this helps. And, please, do not take my word for it. Look it up for yourself to see what the passage as a whole says. So much bad doctrine has crept into the church by taking verses and words out of context.
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by Big MacBut wouldn't he be talking about the Old Testament/Hebrew Scriptures, as the New Testament/Christian Scriptures weren't written yet? And does Paul's saying it make it a fact somehow?
In Paul's letter to Timothy, he wrote, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in rightesouness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." Timothy 3:16-17.
There are disagreements on the words "all scripture." Since I must be faithful t ...[text shortened]... So much bad doctrine has crept into the church by taking verses and words out of context.
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by reader1107I agree; I did this some time back—
But wouldn't he be talking about the Old Testament/Hebrew Scriptures, as the New Testament/Christian Scriptures weren't written yet? And does Paul's saying it make it a fact somehow?
NRS 2 Timothy 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it,
15 and how from childhood you have known the sacred writings that are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
17 so that everyone who belongs to God may be proficient, equipped for every good work.
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This appears to be the only NT text in which the word theopneustos, inspired or God-breathed, is found (or, at least, that I could find).
First of all, the ancient Greek texts have no punctuation, or differentiation between capital and lower-case letters, so the meaning partly derives from how it is punctuated.
Secondly, there is no verb at all in verse 16 in the Greek.
Thirdly, the word graphe in verse 16 just means “writing” (as Big Mac noted). (The verb form is grapho; the noun occurs some 33 times in the NT, where it refers to OT texts.)
Fourthly, graphe refers back to iera grammata, “sacred learning,” in verse 15—learning which the reader has known “from childhood,” and can only refer to the Torah.
Therefore, verse 16 should be read as a continuation from 14 and 15—in a single continuous sentence, viz.—
“15 and how from childhood you [2nd person singular: i.e., Timothy] have known the sacred teachings [learnings, letters of the alphabet] that are able to instruct you for salvation through confidence (pisteos) in Christ Jesus,
16 all writing God-inspired and useful...etc., etc.”
It seems clear that this passage refers to the Hebrew scriptures.
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On the other hand, using the Bible as it’s own authority for being divinely inspired (which itself can mean a number of things) can get circular awfully fast: “I believe the Bible is divinely inspired because it says it is.” “Yes, but why do you believe when it says that?” “ Because it’s divinely inspired... etc., etc.”
I’ll drop it there...
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by vistesdI went to see this old guy the other day. A really nice guy and he was talking about various TV programs that have raised all kinds of questions about Jesus and the scriptures. He said that really didn't like those programs because "it's all in the Bible." Then he went on to say that they get you to question the language of the Bible which he didn't appreciate either. So I said to him, "you know Jesus didn't speak King James English, don't you?" He looked at me and said, "You've got to be kidding me. Are you sure?"
I agree; I did this some time back—
NRS 2 Timothy 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it,
15 and how from childhood you have known the sacred writings that are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for te ...[text shortened]... eve when it says that?” “ Because it’s divinely inspired... etc., etc.”
I’ll drop it there...
Keep preaching, Stephen. You've got a long road to hoe as they say.
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by kirksey957LMAO! You should have told the guy you were just pulling his leg.
I went to see this old guy the other day. A really nice guy and he was talking about various TV programs that have raised all kinds of questions about Jesus and the scriptures. He said that really didn't like those programs because "it's all in the Bible." Then he went on to say that they get you to question the language of the Bible which he didn't ap ...[text shortened]... n't you?" He looked at me and said, "You've got to be kidding me. Are you sure?"
21 Apr 07
Originally posted by kirksey957Sure, and next you're going to say that the Holy Trinity isn't really two men and a bird. I'm crushed.
I went to see this old guy the other day. A really nice guy and he was talking about various TV programs that have raised all kinds of questions about Jesus and the scriptures. He said that really didn't like those programs because "it's all in the Bible." Then he went on to say that they get you to question the language of the Bible which he didn't ap ...[text shortened]... ou sure?"
Keep preaching, Stephen. You've got a long road to hoe as they say.